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Porsche Dealership and Bella Rosa apartments planned

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New U.S. 98 business proposals in Walton County, Florida fail early hurdle

For now at least, separate proposals for an automobile dealership and an apartment complex on U.S. Highway 98 in Walton County have failed to clear an early public hurdle for eventual approval by the Walton County Board of County Commissioners.

At Wednesday's meeting of the county's Technical Review Committee (TRC), which takes a first look at proposed developments regarding adherence to the county's comprehensive plan and land development code, representatives of both the dealership and the apartment complex were told that significant questions remained about their prospective projects.

First up Wednesday was a proposal for a Porsche dealership on almost 3.5 acres on the south side of U.S. 98 between Don Bishop Road and Sugar Drive, part of the route designated as a scenic corridor. The proposal came to the TRC with a report detailing some relatively routine technical concerns from various county government departments.

There had been no public comments received on the proposal as of Wednesday's meeting.

The proposal came to the TRC with a recommendation from county planning staff that it be approved and forwarded to the county's Design Review Board. That recommendation was based on the condition that the developer answer concerns expressed by other government departments and provide the county with a copy of state and federal wetlands permits.

All of that, though, was eclipsed by a couple of questions from Walton County Planning Director Mac Carpenter to David Smith of Innerlight Engineering, which is steering development of the proposed Gregg Orr Porsche of Santa Rosa Beach.

"We have never allowed an auto dealership ... in the U.S. 98 scenic corridor," Carpenter told Smith, "and one of the main reasons has been the need to have outside display of merchandise — the vehicles.

"How are you going to keep any of these vehicles from being seen from U.S. 98?" Carpenter asked.


"We've gone to great extent to have them positioned and screened," Smith answered.

He conceded that customer parking is planned for the front of the dealership, but told Carpenter that "the inventory storage is not visible from 98. ... (W)e strategically have the inventory where it's not visible."

Clearly unconvinced, Carpenter told Smith, "I'm going to want to look at that myself."

Carpenter then told Smith and the TRC that he was "not comfortable moving this project forward with this list of outstanding questions, and my question about whether or not this development can even exist in the U.S. 98 scenic corridor."

The committee agreed and decided unanimously to move the proposal forward to its next meeting Feb. 3. In the interim, Smith and Carpenter will meet to further discuss the proposal.

"We probably need to sit down and talk about this one before we get there (to the Feb. 3 meeting)," Carpenter told Smith.

Also facing questions from Carpenter on Wednesday was Tonia Nation, a site developer for AVCON, Inc., the engineering, planning and construction firm working with Florida SJS LLC, the company developing the proposed Bella Rosa Apartments. The proposed 158-unit, three-building complex is planned for a 13.23-acre tract on the southeast corner of Sugar Drive and U.S. Highway 98 West.

Questions from Carpenter focused on its recreation component, which is set to include publicly accessible trails and boardwalks in and around wetlands areas on the site.


Nation told Carpenter that the trails and boardwalks would include signage designed to educate users regarding wetlands.

Carpenter, though, countered that to meet the standard for a public recreational amenity, the trails and boardwalks would have to be "robust," and would have to attract users. On that point, Carpenter noted that a parking lot intended for use with the trails and boardwalks was behind a gate into the development.

"It just needs to be somewhere that people will want to go," Carpenter said of the proposed amenity, "and if it doesn't look like that's what it is, it's probably not going to meet the test (of being an adequate public recreational amenity). Meeting that test, Carpenter said, would require creating a "sense of place ... and I'm not sure we're there yet."

In addition to Carpenter's concerns, the other county departments had a number of comments on the proposal, including concerns from the South Walton Fire District on the location and number of fire hydrants.

The developer had planned for the project to move forward to county's Design Review Board next month, and from there to the Walton County Board of County Commissioners, also next month, for a final decision.

However, as a result of a unanimous decision by the TRC, the project development was set for reconsideration at the Feb. 3 Technical Review Committee meeting. That decision pushed the project to the March cycle of design review and county commission meetings for a possible final decision.

In other action Wednesday, the TRC gave conditional approval to a proposed "commerce park," comprising 15 single-story commercial buildings of 6,000 square feet each. The development is proposed for slightly less than 10 acres on the east side of Goldsby Road, north of U.S. Highway 98 West and south of Commercial Parkway.

The conditional approval will move the proposal forward to the Walton County Planning Commission for further consideration. In the meantime, the developer, Goldsby Road LLC, and its engineering firm are set to address a number of questions from the county government. Those questions include concerns that the current plan calls for just two Dumpsters, and that one of the buildings does not include a loading zone.

In a separate issue, the TRC voted to send a proposal for some changes at the WaterColor residential and resort community on County Road 30A to the Planning Commission for further action.

The proposal C involves replacing three residential units with seven hotel units.

Finally Wednesday, the TRC approved moving a proposed bathhouse replacement at Topsail Hill State Park at U.S. 98 and County Road 30A forward into the development order process, which will require county commission approval. The project calls for replacing the existing 668-square-foot bathhouse with a 1,479-square-foot facility.

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DENOLA avatar
DENOLABeach Comber
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Aren’t we interested in partnering with strong economic institutions to help create the proper foundation for strong economic growth. I’m hoping for improving our county infrastructure
Matt J avatar
Matt JSWGBAuthor
#4
As a long time local I'm interested in bringing our infrastructure up to where it should be before we add more strain to it.

Apartments don't generate local revenue.
DENOLA avatar
DENOLABeach Comber
#5
I absolutely agree about bringing the infrastructure up, but I was referring to the Porsche dealership. Auto dealerships provide unprecedented support to state and federal governments in the form of taxes and fees collected from sales, employees, drivers, and the auto companies themselves
justhavinfun avatar
justhavinfunBeach Fanatic
#6
I'm going to make a leap of faith and speculate that you having just joined this forum and posted twice or the same subject , both times about the dealership may know more then us locals. That said, you must also have some knowledge and statistics about the demographics of exactly what group and income level has the means to buy a Porsche. It seems to me that , the audience of people who could afford and actually want a Porsche, would be in the minority. Also assuming you have done the research, can you advise of exactly how many new car dealers there currently are in Walton Coiunty? I would think that a Target store would generate just as much if not more revenue and tax dollars for the community, and that would have a greater impact on many more Walton residents then a Porsche Dealer.. Just my two cents....
DENOLA avatar
DENOLABeach Comber
#7
**Safety Disclaimer** Please make sure you have someone hold the branch if you’re going out on a limb with that many assumptions…surely you were taught that makes an ‘ass’ out of ‘u’ and ‘me’.

Pretty cool schoolyard bully tactics of painting me as the know-it-all just who just moved to town….I won’t play the game of name calling since we aren’t at recess.

Agree completely with the need of a Target or similar type of store. That investment/partnership would be very useful and beneficial to the already existing population, which is continuing to surge annually in both permanent and seasonal residents. You can suggest looking at stats all you want, but as a true ‘local’ approach you can just go out and see for yourself. Undeniable, just like your condescending undertone. The childish argument here that you’ve tried to paint here is that it’s a Target or a Porsche dealership(or another new car dealership), when that’s not the case at all.

Would a Porsche dealership or any car dealership benefit the area?
Would a Porsche dealership or any car dealership provide tax revenue for the County?
Would a Porsche dealership or any car dealership provide stable full time employment for 50+ people?

Do you see how the economy instantly benefits from investment and growth in the form of construction jobs, retail jobs, skilled labor jobs, sales/ops jobs, management, etc. as well the revenue grabbed from all this growth through the county taxes?

Change is scary. We all get it. Change for the better is moving forward. Open your narrow visioned view of this project(and beyond) so you don’t continue to avoid the obvious benefits that investments in to a local economy then pay back in to that same local economy(and more).

I expect you will have more assumptions…
Matt J avatar
Matt JSWGBAuthor
#8
Wow that devolved quickly.

I don't think they were painting you in the way you feel. Me and jhf have been posting for years and to be honest their post is not meant to be condescending. That's based on agreeing and disagreeing with them for many years. I really feel it was meant to start a discussion.
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justhavinfunBeach Fanatic
#9
Matt Absolutely and I've been called many names over my 60 plus years on this earth but I've never been called a bully...
James BentwoodBeach Fanatic
#10
I don't want a dealership or a Target. I don't want this place to be like everywhere else in America.

No one cares what I want. :cry:
DENOLA avatar
DENOLABeach Comber
#11
And I quote “…may know more then us locals.”



I posted and replied with facts on what I thought was a discussion board, not a place where the my replies were met with the ‘Local’ card or “long time resident/discussion poster”.
That rebuttal is old and played out.

Never said I knew more, never called someone a bully, never flexed on being a newcomer. Do you pay anymore taxes to Walton than I do? Measuring tenure in a neighborhood, county or discussion board doesn’t mean your opinion matters anymore than someone else’s.

Also, great deflection and response to any of my questions and focus on the clutching of your pearls.

P.S. I can afford a Porsche and would like to buy one locally and fill it up with s**t ton of knick knacks and paddy wacks from Target
bob1Beach Fanatic
#12
And I quote “…may know more then us locals.”



I posted and replied with facts on what I thought was a discussion board, not a place where the my replies were met with the ‘Local’ card or “long time resident/discussion poster”.
That rebuttal is old and played out.

Never said I knew more, never called someone a bully, never flexed on being a newcomer. Do you pay anymore taxes to Walton than I do? Measuring tenure in a neighborhood, county or discussion board doesn’t mean your opinion matters anymore than someone else’s.

Also, great deflection and response to any of my questions and focus on the clutching of your pearls.

P.S. I can afford a Porsche and would like to buy one locally and fill it up with s**t ton of knick knacks and paddy wacks from Target
Congrats! You won the internet today and made a few new friends.
DENOLA avatar
DENOLABeach Comber
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Congrats! You won the internet today and made a few new friends.
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Jashleyren avatar
JashleyrenBeach Comber
#14
I know this is an old post, month and a half old now. I live over in Destin, and a Porsche dealer (Orr) and a Target are very available, already. I"m another one of those who might buy a Porsche if I want one, but I don't. Enough with German cars, personally speaking 😀

Let me just say that the 98 corridor through Walton might seem empty to many outsiders, but to those of us who live in the region, it's needed to remain that way. Everything anyone can want is located not far away, here in Destin, and even across the pass over into FWB. I also know that change is already here, in the way people shop and buy, and Commercial retail construction will not be needed in the future, more than what is already here.

I'm not anti-progress, but I am anti-excess. We have excess already, and we've had it for years. No need to alter the landscape and environment of 98 in So Wal with yet more retail and strip mall construction. There's already plenty, not at full capacity, all around.
Jim Tucker avatar
Jim TuckerBeach Fanatic
#15
I know this is an old post, month and a half old now. I live over in Destin, and a Porsche dealer (Orr) and a Target are very available, already. I"m another one of those who might buy a Porsche if I want one, but I don't. Enough with German cars, personally speaking 😀

Let me just say that the 98 corridor through Walton might seem empty to many outsiders, but to those of us who live in the region, it's needed to remain that way. Everything anyone can want is located not far away, here in Destin, and even across the pass over into FWB. I also know that change is already here, in the way people shop and buy, and Commercial retail construction will not be needed in the future, more than what is already here.

I'm not anti-progress, but I am anti-excess. We have excess already, and we've had it for years. No need to alter the landscape and environment of 98 in So Wal with yet more retail and strip mall construction. There's already plenty, not at full capacity, all around.
Every piece of private property along 98 in SoWal is quickly being developed. There is no stopping it but we can have high standards to the way property is developed, density, and appearance. Although not sure if much is going to change now that the barn door is open.
DENOLA avatar
DENOLABeach Comber
#16
I know this is an old post, month and a half old now. I live over in Destin, and a Porsche dealer (Orr) and a Target are very available, already. I"m another one of those who might buy a Porsche if I want one, but I don't. Enough with German cars, personally speaking 😀

Let me just say that the 98 corridor through Walton might seem empty to many outsiders, but to those of us who live in the region, it's needed to remain that way. Everything anyone can want is located not far away, here in Destin, and even across the pass over into FWB. I also know that change is already here, in the way people shop and buy, and Commercial retail construction will not be needed in the future, more than what is already here.

I'm not anti-progress, but I am anti-excess. We have excess already, and we've had it for years. No need to alter the landscape and environment of 98 in So Wal with yet more retail and strip mall construction. There's already plenty, not at full capacity, all around.


Oh! Well there we go, since you feel like we have enough then we should be fine. Phew! I was concerned for second but now I’m OK knowing that you think we have enough and for making the decision that I have enough “excess”around me.
Also, thank you for assuming what it’s like to live where I do off the 30A and know what it’s like to drive or sit in traffic and construction for 40min just to go to Destin or 35 min to PCB to get anything done to run my household. The opportunity to create jobs, inject money into our local economy while spending less gas, time and money driving into other cities is more of an interest to me.

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Jim Tucker avatar
Jim TuckerBeach Fanatic
#17
Oh! Well there we go, since you feel like we have enough then we should be fine. Phew! I was concerned for second but now I’m OK knowing that you think we have enough and for making the decision that I have enough “excess”around me.
Also, thank you for assuming what it’s like to live where I do off the 30A and know what it’s like to drive or sit in traffic and construction for 40min just to go to Destin or 35 min to PCB to get anything done to run my household. The opportunity to create jobs, inject money into our local economy while spending less gas, time and money driving into other cities is more of an interest to me.
What do you need in Destin or PCB to run your household? Do you mean for work to earn a living? Why wouldn't you just live where you work?
DENOLA avatar
DENOLABeach Comber
#18
What do you need in Destin or PCB to run your household? Do you mean for work to earn a living? Why wouldn't you just live where you work?
What do you need in Destin or PCB to run your household? Do you mean for work to earn a living? Why wouldn't you just live where you
What do you need in Destin or PCB to run your household? Do you mean for work to earn a living? Why wouldn't you just live where you work?
We do live where we work and play, perhaps not assume that we don’t.
We work/live/operate our business, home, my mothers home and our rental homes in the 30A area. Household management refers to the various tasks and chores associated with the organization, financial management , and day-to-day operations for our home.
So while I enjoy getting items delivered from Amazon it is easier sometimes to be able to get what we need if we could drive a shorter distance. There is only one store near us to buy a TV, a sad WalMart on 98 that is always tapped out of product. Only one grocery store chain (Publix) unless I drive to Destin (Whole Foods). We aren’t tourists or snowbirds and asking for better commercial services or opportunities shouldn’t be such a controversy.
Jenksy avatar
JenksyBeach Fanatic
#19
We do live where we work and play, perhaps not assume that we don’t.
We work/live/operate our business, home, my mothers home and our rental homes in the 30A area. Household management refers to the various tasks and chores associated with the organization, financial management , and day-to-day operations for our home.
So while I enjoy getting items delivered from Amazon it is easier sometimes to be able to get what we need if we could drive a shorter distance. There is only one store near us to buy a TV, a sad WalMart on 98 that is always tapped out of product. Only one grocery store chain (Publix) unless I drive to Destin (Whole Foods). We aren’t tourists or snowbirds and asking for better commercial services or opportunities shouldn’t be such a controversy.
Most people who live here or move here respect the quality of life and precious natural environment.

Those who want it to be more like where they came from or turn it in to Destin aren't welcome.

Sad Walmart :doh:
Perhaps you should move to somewhere you have more TV choices which is very important for managing households.
Matt J avatar
Matt JSWGBAuthor
#20
We do live where we work and play, perhaps not assume that we don’t.
We work/live/operate our business, home, my mothers home and our rental homes in the 30A area. Household management refers to the various tasks and chores associated with the organization, financial management , and day-to-day operations for our home.
So while I enjoy getting items delivered from Amazon it is easier sometimes to be able to get what we need if we could drive a shorter distance. There is only one store near us to buy a TV, a sad WalMart on 98 that is always tapped out of product. Only one grocery store chain (Publix) unless I drive to Destin (Whole Foods). We aren’t tourists or snowbirds and asking for better commercial services or opportunities shouldn’t be such a controversy.

It always is when people move here and act shocked that they have to drive a little further to get things. You come across as a whiny newbie. Does the June grass also offend your senses?

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