Walton Deputies To Unionize.

Park the car

For one I knew how many Sheriff Offices are under a PBA contract. I was just seeing if the PBA Rep knew. Are you the PBA Rep T.M. No, I don't know Mr. Wiggins personally, I have talked to him on the telephone. I was going to call him to confirm, whoever is saying they are the PBA Rep. Yes, I will trust my career future with Mike Adkinson, because he is a man that backs up his troops. He will not let them fall alone, if they are doing right. If you are not happy here why don't you go back to Mobile . Everyones knows that you don't do anything here, besides run your mouth. All your points you posted are from what Ralph did. You have not even seen what Mike Adkinson has to offer.

And please park the car at the substation...

For one I knew how many Sheriff Offices are under a PBA contract. I was just seeing if the PBA Rep knew. Are you the PBA Rep T.M. No, I don't know Mr. Wiggins personally, I have talked to him on the telephone. I was going to call him to confirm, whoever is saying they are the PBA Rep. Yes, I will trust my career future with Mike Adkinson, because he is a man that backs up his troops. He will not let them fall alone, if they are doing right. If you are not happy here why don't you go back to Mobile . Everyones knows that you don't do anything here, besides run your mouth. All your points you posted are from what Ralph did. You have not even seen what Mike Adkinson has to offer.

I never said I was not happy here. I love it here. I just want it to be the best that it can be. Thanks for that personal attack. What excatly do you"do here" that makes your opinions any better than mine?

Whos on first?

And please park the car at the substation...

Who's from Mobile? WhoDat1 or Redsox? Either way just a joke bout the cars, I don't have $100, do you?

RJ's legacy

Watcher,

Now is an opportune time because there is a transition going on. There was no opportunity prior because I was scared RJ would fire me. No executive that is'nt willing to share or give up some power ever really wants a union to come in.

Has anyone besides Shallows and Idle been paying attention to MY posts? I am not the PBA rep and I am attempting to remain unconfrontational and not insult folks. Everyone seems to just want to talk to PBA rep about this....I've posted the PBA's wesite many times and tried to explain, if you have a problem with one rep, you can use another......I'm not talking about bringing an "A" game......lets just exchange ideas.

If your against it, fine. But are there more reasons than just not liking PBA rep and gving Adkinson "a chance"? Convince me NOT to vote yes to collective bargaining. Pretend I will never totally, blindly trust a boss and leave that point behind. Go beyond that and discuss some of the issues I've brought up, like wasteful spending, lack of overtime pay, testing for promotion, working sick because of manpower issues ( goes back to overtime/calling folks in when short) etc., etc......

I'm being sincere here. No mudslinging....no cronie talk.....why not collective bargaining? I'm open. I've changed my mind before.....

Again, I am referring to your post and I have boldfaced your comment, thank your for your honesty.

Citizens of Walton County, this is a prime example of why our SO is the way it is. FEAR.

Ralph Johnson was able to instill unhealthy fear into most of his employees, thus, he maintained control. Simple situation. This is also a very sad situation as now, already victimized by RJ, the officers now are pressured into letting a Union come in, quite suddenly, under a lame duck administration, to represent them. Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this?

Watcher, your right. it was not handled correctly as far as the timing. I assure you, I found out quite mistakingly about it and, being PBA already, I was very excited. I will go with whatever the guys decide. This has caused disunity. That was never my intention. It was meant to unify. Sorry folks....

By the way. I'm no coward. And you guys always know where to find me....

Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this?[/quote]

Your not alone.

1) The lap dogs are several (ranking) employees very dedicated to RJ. I do not want to name names on a blog, especially since my identity is protected as well, otherwise, I'd be gone a long time ago... Just ask a deputy in private and I'm sure they'll tell you. Any WCSO employee reading already knows very well to whom I elude...

2) Drafted up an arrest warrant for a fellow officer based on their support of an opposing candidate during the election. Nice...:shock:

3) As I understand it, I'm not one of MA's inner circle, but as I understand; a prior leader of the State DOT, a SAC from FDLE (Pensacola Region), an individual with years and years of local LEO experience and a current WCSO supervisor (one who knows what he's doing). Maybe one or two more.

4) County approved budget.

5) Yes, lap dogs are paid, not in Milk Bones either... I believe at least one is on "leave time" and that RJ has aggressively made attempts to assist in seeking employment for them. Now, whether or not this "leave" is valid, I do not know. Remember, some have already posted concerns over "comp time" never received...maybe this is where it went.

Also, as a fellow tax payer, let's not forget the pending federal law suit over the two pregnant officers being fired.:roll:

be seeing u.

w

1. I respect that, although I don't think I want to talk to employees about this, never know who is on who's side.
2. I do not understand what you are talking about. How can it be against the law to campaign for someone? Is this Russia?
3. What does a DOT guy know about law enforcement? Ya'll taking over Public Works?
4. OK.
5. How can leave not be valid? Either you have it or you don't. Once again I am confused. It does sound like the taxpayers are getting ******* in here somewhere, but I just can't put my finger on it.

The DOT guy was probably from the law enforement side of DOT. He/she is probably an "ace" when it comes to traffic enforcement and traffic laws. And is in leadership, probably pretty good at admin. Thats a very technical law enforcement group.

Why so many PD's and only a few SO's.

Very few panhandle PD/SO

Niceville PD the lowest pay PD in the pandhandle......

19 out of 67 SO's in Florida........

Not very good numbers of the PBA

Who's from Mobile? WhoDat1 or Redsox? Either way just a joke bout the cars, I don't have $100, do you?

WhoDat1 came from Mobile to work here. If it was so great at Mobile P.D. with collective bargining, then go back. Don't try and bring it here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WhoDat1 came from Mobile to work here. If it was so great at Mobile P.D. with collective bargining, then go back. Don't try and bring it here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He/she can only leave if they take several more with them. I can supply names on request.
( just kidding)

Watcher, your right. it was not handled correctly as far as the timing. I assure you, I found out quite mistakingly about it and, being PBA already, I was very excited. I will go with whatever the guys decide. This has caused disunity. That was never my intention. It was meant to unify. Sorry folks....

By the way. I'm no coward. And you guys always know where to find me....

WhoDat1,
It was not just the timing that was handled wrong. It was also the handling of the blue cards and not informing the entire department about the PBA. Also missing leading people by telling them that it was PBA legal and the truth of it was that it was collective bargining. Why were you so exicited for the idea of the PBA, was it that cassavant was one of the people behind it. It's he your leader. It is nice that you want to unify,but you are helping all the backstabbers and supervisors that don't need to be in their position. You are helping them stay where they are at. From what I have seen and heard they are trying to make it so it protects 1st LT's and below. Why don't you unify and believe in someone that fights and defends his guys. The PBA is great for a P.D. because they can get the officers things that they don't have ( ie. take home cars, equipment, and so on). If collective bargining started here everything that we already have, has to go back on the table and has to been agreed by both sides for us to get it back. Is it worth it to possibly lose something that we already have? I don't think it is. WhoDat1, you are one of a couple people in this department, who wants this collective bargining to come here. Honestly, I would not want to be put in the group with those other guys. But that is your choice!!!!!!!

Union or no union, I hope the new Sheriff stops allowing cars to be driven home all over North Florida and South Alabama.:angry: I support in the county and maybe just over the line (Destin, PC Beach) but no further. I would also prefer hiring preference be given to county residents. Allow our tax dollars to remain at work here.

WhoDat1 came from Mobile to work here. If it was so great at Mobile P.D. with collective bargining, then go back. Don't try and bring it here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look. Obviously, you know who I am. So does EVERYONE else, now. I've updated my profile. So continuing to call me out on this public forum is nonsense. I know you, too INV. So if you know who I am, you know where to find me. Frankly, I could care less about the collective bargaining now that you've intentionally put MY job and my kid's food in peril rather than coming to me yourself. Peace.

And for the record, I never misled ANYONE I talked to, and Casavant is against collective bargaining, I'm told. We never discussed any of this. Your reckless indictment of innocent employees like this is a testament to YOUR character.

I highly respect our training cadre, but we are not friends and do not confide in each other. I respect them for their training skills.

Union or no union, I hope the new Sheriff stops allowing cars to be driven home all over North Florida and South Alabama.:angry: I support in the county and maybe just over the line (Destin, PC Beach) but no further. I would also prefer hiring preference be given to county residents. Allow our tax dollars to remain at work here.

This is'nt a stab at you, Idle. I would completely agree with you, normally.

The only problem is we have no pool(or very small and sometimes undesireable) of potential employees inside the county lines. Its just to darn expensive for most people to live here compared to North Okaloosa and some areas in the Northend and South Alabama. That being said, they should definately be assigned areas as close to their homes as possible to save gas and vehicle wear.

As someone who has been on the ground floor of organizing and also having been stabbed in the back by one of those members who sold us down the river, there is a reason that you go to those folks who you as a leader feel you can TRUST. Maybe folks outside of Public Safety think things are so great and you are protected. Wrong, Watcher advised he has no problem with the Union, except for those "RJ REJECTS" how biased can you be. RedSox doesn't believe it was handled correctly and even calls WhoDat out, RedSox, My names Bob Wells, I am a Union FireFighter Paramedic, Now if you didn't know who I was before you do now. What position are you vying for and why not just say what it is and how a UNION will screw you. Shallows, I've always known you to be upright and straight forward fellow and believe you to be a man of integrity, why you were not informed, I don't know, but give this a shot and be open to this. Last year in Tallahassee, I had the opportunity to visit with some Cop Union reps. The only thing that suprises me is that those Reps did not take me up on my offer to introduce them to some employees who were interested then.

Why would a warrant be drafted just because someone supported an opposing candidate during the election? Just wondering as this makes no sense. Alot sopported and let it be known they did. So you get arrested for it now.







Originally Posted by The Watcher
1) The lap dogs are several (ranking) employees very dedicated to RJ. I do not want to name names on a blog, especially since my identity is protected as well, otherwise, I'd be gone a long time ago... Just ask a deputy in private and I'm sure they'll tell you. Any WCSO employee reading already knows very well to whom I elude...

2) Drafted up an arrest warrant for a fellow officer based on their support of an opposing candidate during the election. Nice...:shock:

3) As I understand it, I'm not one of MA's inner circle, but as I understand; a prior leader of the State DOT, a SAC from FDLE (Pensacola Region), an individual with years and years of local LEO experience and a current WCSO supervisor (one who knows what he's doing). Maybe one or two more.

4) County approved budget.

5) Yes, lap dogs are paid, not in Milk Bones either... I believe at least one is on "leave time" and that RJ has aggressively made attempts to assist in seeking employment for them. Now, whether or not this "leave" is valid, I do not know. Remember, some have already posted concerns over "comp time" never received...maybe this is where it went.

Also, as a fellow tax payer, let's not forget the pending federal law suit over the two pregnant officers being fired.:roll:

be seeing u.

Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this?

Your not alone.[/quote]


I submitted a warrant today for your arrest for being an FSU fan, and for your husband as an accessory to the crime... Go Gators !!!

1) The lap dogs are several (ranking) employees very dedicated to RJ. I do not want to name names on a blog, especially since my identity is protected as well, otherwise, I'd be gone a long time ago... Just ask a deputy in private and I'm sure they'll tell you. Any WCSO employee reading already knows very well to whom I elude...

2) Drafted up an arrest warrant for a fellow officer based on their support of an opposing candidate during the election. Nice...:shock:

3) As I understand it, I'm not one of MA's inner circle, but as I understand; a prior leader of the State DOT, a SAC from FDLE (Pensacola Region), an individual with years and years of local LEO experience and a current WCSO supervisor (one who knows what he's doing). Maybe one or two more.

4) County approved budget.

5) Yes, lap dogs are paid, not in Milk Bones either... I believe at least one is on "leave time" and that RJ has aggressively made attempts to assist in seeking employment for them. Now, whether or not this "leave" is valid, I do not know. Remember, some have already posted concerns over "comp time" never received...maybe this is where it went.

Also, as a fellow tax payer, let's not forget the pending federal law suit over the two pregnant officers being fired.:roll:

be seeing u.

w

Thank you for bringing to light some things that needed to be brought to light. I just hope people read the seriousness of what has been done.... hense #2.... So SAD....

Boys, Boys,Boys, lets stop all this silly bickering, and lets focus on the task at hand. We have a new sheriff. If and I hope that thats a BIG IF, the PBA gets voted in, then we will deal with it then. If it doesnt then we will give Sheriff Mike Adkinson a chance to do what he says he is going to do. One thing we need not do is tear at each others throats which is what the old admin has caused us to do for the last 8 years. We are a family, like it or not. Theres no need for you REDSOX, or you WHODAT1 to longer fight, or call each other out. Just vote the way you want, and move on. Lets please try and mend our department back to what it should be, and what it can be. If you were at that meeting Mike had today you seen that he is a great leader. This is going to be a great department!!!! Not just because I am in it ( ha ha ha ) but because we will have a fresh start, with a new leader who is not like the old. So throw in the white flag, and lets just see where it all falls, and go from there.. Later
Irisheyes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Irish:

Why inject the voice of reason into a good street fight? As long as you guys fight among yourselves you will go nowhere. Before you get a union, ya'll should try getting UNITED.

Your not alone.

I submitted a warrant today for your arrest for being an FSU fan, and for your husband as an accessory to the crime... Go Gators !!![/quote]

Good lord. Can't go anywhere. One in every crowd. Jeez.

I have read all of the post and offer the following:
1. I bet when RJ was voted in office everyone thought he was going to be the best sheriff walton county had every seen and look what happened and we voted him back in office.
2. I only see the union as a was to keep the new sheriff being honest in regards to all of the problems that has happened in the past.
3. By voting now and establishing a contract with the new sheriff after Jan 1st. (which is just around the corner) will keep the items that you enjoy now and will not allow him to see a way to cut items due to funding.
4. The Sheriff should be allowed to bring in his own command staff with him.
5. The officers that would be covered under the contract that you say are not good leaders whould be offered officer development training and allowed to be mentoried into a good supervisor. It they are still bad supervisors and the contract is in place there is a way to get rid of them and it will be legal and uniformed across the board.
6. Bad leaders almost allways get rid of them shelves
7. The vehicle take home program should be limited to employees who have a need to return to work after hours (SWAT, Inv.) and everyone elese should haft to drive to the station or sub station to pick up their vehicle as anyother worker has to do. I would love to be able to take home a company vehicle home so i could save on fuel and vehicle repaires. I bet the deputys get great trade in value for low milage vehicles. I know several deputies and you whould have thought some one had took a toy in the play yard away from them when that ruling came out.
8. If the SO would hear what teh FD has to say on unions you might learn something as they have had many years of miss management and BS blown up their *** and they have had leaders placed in positions that did not belong there and should have been fired but the union protected them then a new chief came in and seen the issues and has been providing training to the officers to inprove their skills and has made great progress with this and there is still ways if someone does something so bad to be fired to be fired.

Boys, Boys,Boys, lets stop all this silly bickering, and lets focus on the task at hand. We have a new sheriff. If and I hope that thats a BIG IF, the PBA gets voted in, then we will deal with it then. If it doesnt then we will give Sheriff Mike Adkinson a chance to do what he says he is going to do. One thing we need not do is tear at each others throats which is what the old admin has caused us to do for the last 8 years. We are a family, like it or not. Theres no need for you REDSOX, or you WHODAT1 to longer fight, or call each other out. Just vote the way you want, and move on. Lets please try and mend our department back to what it should be, and what it can be. If you were at that meeting Mike had today you seen that he is a great leader. This is going to be a great department!!!! Not just because I am in it ( ha ha ha ) but because we will have a fresh start, with a new leader who is not like the old. So throw in the white flag, and lets just see where it all falls, and go from there.. Later
Irisheyes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel the same way. Lets get this over with and move on, either way. I can honestly say I don't care anymore what happens with the vote. I am stunned at the personal attack I have gone through at the hands of another LEO and it violates the very feeling of family that I advocate. As far as RedSox goes, No Cop should ever trust someone who throws another one under the bus just because they have a different opinion. Hell he threw someone other than me under the bus who is AGAINST the bargaining unit. Irish, you should understand this more than anyone.

I organized a meeting with the Sheriff-elect several weeks ago, before he was elected, and was impressed with what he had to say. He still respected my opinion where we disagreed and was very gracious. I look forward to working under him, if he'll have me. I hope that he sees through WHATEVER is going on north of the bay and realize that I, at least, had my brothers and sisters at heart. I gain nothing here, either way.

That being said, I will NOT sell my integrity or my beliefs, which BTW have been consistent and unchanging my whole professional career, over some no good excuse of a cop trying to use fear to shut me up. I played that game several times in twelve years and I won't be intimidated. :angry:

Thanks for your post Irish.........I love the your screen name.....

ROLL TIDE! Dec. 6th, here we come super-ham