Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Sounds like we are both against uncontrolled growth (and unrestricted marketing) of SoWal. Not sure what that has to do with signs and fences.

Agree.

There's no excuse for it and it shouldn't be acceptable behavior by anyone.

Signs, yes. Chains, no, unless the public can’t (or refuses to) read.

I am for people using the beaches as along as they are respectful of locals and the environment. While there are plenty of visors who aren't, that is no excuse for the completely unacceptable step of trying to prevent use.

Did you mean respectful of the BFOs as well? There are some who don’t consider BFOs as locals.

Reggie: I'm not wrong; we just disagree. I've not been duped, but you have. Your very vivid anger makes it hard to respond to or converse with you. So I'll leave you with this:

“The sea can do craziness, it can do smooth, it can lie down like silk breathing or toss havoc shoreward; it can give gifts or withhold all; it can rise, ebb, froth like an incoming frenzy of fountains, or it can sweet-talk entirely. As I can too, and so, no doubt, can you, and you.”

― Mary Oliver, A Thousand Mornings

Did you mean respectful of the BFOs as well? There are some who don’t consider BFOs as locals.

Yes to first part, except for those who put up signs and chains, or sit on their porch and seethe at people walking on the beach. And to the 2nd part, many beachfront owners are NOT locals. And there are many i wish were NOT.

Yes to first part, except for those who put up signs and chains, or sit on their porch and seethe at people walking on the beach. And to the 2nd part, many beachfront owners are NOT locals. And there are many i wish were NOT.

Well that rules out most of us.

What IF the county eventually loses the customary use law suit? Would you then be ok with the signs?

Well that rules out most of us.

What IF the county eventually loses the customary use law suit? Would you then be ok with the signs?

We will never be OK with the signs. Are you a joke? You do not have to have signs to prosecute a trespassing violation. The only reason you need to have a sign is to prove you are an ahole.

....The only reason you need to have a sign is to prove you are an ahole.

I guess the premise of Reggie’s first post is spot on. LVT, while you’re at it, why don’t you go ahead and pile on and call me a beach Nazi. Your juvenile attitude sincerely should be confined to the lounge, IMHO. The sad part of it all is that you probably speak for many people.

I guess the premise of Reggie’s first post is spot on. LVT, while you’re at it, why don’t you go ahead and pile on and call me a beach Nazi. Your juvenile attitude sincerely should be confined to the lounge, IMHO. The sad part of it all is that you probably speak for many people.

I'm sorry for the potty mouth reply. It was linguistic short-hand. I probably should have used words like arrogant, self-righteous, and egocentric. I'm a working class stiff and seldom have time to be erudite in every post. As to any Nazi references, I only made a comparison about the propaganda techniques used on this thread that were reminiscent of the ones used by the Nazis in pre-World War II Germany: misinformation repeated ad nauseum, demonizing of the "others", calling anyone that dissent from your view a "mob". I will attempt to use more precise language in the future.

I'm sorry for the potty mouth reply. It was linguistic short-hand. I probably should have used words like arrogant, self-righteous, and egocentric. I'm a working class stiff and seldom have time to be erudite in every post. As to any Nazi references, I only made a comparison about the propaganda techniques used on this thread that were reminiscent of the ones used by the Nazis in pre-World War II Germany: misinformation repeated ad nauseum, demonizing of the "others", calling anyone that dissent from your view a "mob". I will attempt to use more precise language in the future.

I prefer ahole.

By “piling on”, I was referring more to Uhlfelder pulling out the Nazi card with his comment “....because of oppression like this”, again, which I personally heard.

At least Dave R finally denounced the beach sniper video and the nut job behind it. Nothing but crickets on this forum from CU advocates regarding Uhlfelder. Makes one wonder if that kind of analogy is condoned by CU folks. By a miracle, you’ve attempted to pull back name calling by at least one part of the human anatomy. BTW, we ALL have one of those parts as well as opinions.

Personally (as it should be for anybody), Uhlfelder’s Nazi reference (in a planned public meeting in front of hundreds of citizens no less) is a thousand times worse than any beach sniper parody video or being called an ahole, arrogant, self-righteous, egocentric as well as the standard issue “mean, rich and greedy.”

Did Uhlfelder’s remarks pull human decency to a new low for me in this CU battle? You bet.

I prefer ahole.

By “piling on”, I was referring more to Uhlfelder pulling out the Nazi card with his comment “....because of oppression like this”, again, which I personally heard.

At least Dave R finally denounced the beach sniper video and the nut job behind it. Nothing but crickets on this forum from CU advocates regarding Uhlfelder. Makes one wonder if that kind of analogy is condoned by CU folks. By a miracle, you’ve attempted to pull back name calling by at least one part of the human anatomy. BTW, we ALL have one of those parts as well as opinions.

Personally (as it should be for anybody), Uhlfelder’s Nazi reference (in a planned public meeting in front of hundreds of citizens no less) is a thousand times worse than any beach sniper parody video or being called an ahole, arrogant, self-righteous, egocentric as well as the standard issue “mean, rich and greedy.”

Did Uhlfelder’s remarks pull human decency to a new low for me in this CU battle? You bet.

Guess what? I'm responsible for my own words and deeds, not Uhlfelder's or "sniper guy"'s. But, good job of deflecting...

Guess what? I'm responsible for my own words and deeds, not Uhlfelder's or "sniper guy"'s. But, good job of deflecting...

Sounds like you’re trying to distance yourself from them?

BTW, I had to notice Teresa’s big red X on my last post. I’ve reread my post and for the life of me can’t figure out what part she can possibly disagree with.

David Rauschkolb and Daniel Uhlfelder have been very effective with spreading this falsehood of Mike Huckabee purchasing the “public beach in front of his property for $400.”

Take a watch - unbelievable. Who the hell are The Young Turks? Again proving exactly what Reggie was claiming in his first post. I think it’s time CU proponents start denouncing obvious propaganda like this. Oh, that’s right, nobody will denounce the Nazi card. Just dreamin’.

It’s quite an interesting exhibition of the human stain as this story plays out. My original post was a a direct statement designed to spark discussion. It was simultaneously predictive, provocative, and quite factual. The premise has proved to be accurate. A premonition? Frighteningly so. Just look at this weekend’s destructive developments. The CU mob has yet again overstepped the law, the truth, the bar, any sense of human decency, and certainly any resemblance of the southern class of the old 30A. Gone is the charm. Permanent is the stain. Gone is the 30A legacy. Embedded is the disgusting entitlement, socialist, and false prophet constituency. Facts be damned, emotional victim mentality be the rule. The blind sheep will march right off of the cliff. And the ruins shall be well deserved. Hoka Hey beach warriors. March on. Your coveting cause is blinding you to the exploitation of your legacy. And so it goes.

I wrote this last week before the previous posts/observations about this thread.
As I read over from the beginning of the thread “Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy” I’m struck by how unverified opinions and beliefs in online forums, not-so social media, social media “influencers”, and partisan “news” influences people’s behavior and actions. We can all have an opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts as the old saying goes.

When it comes to important matters I “believe” in critical thinking, an empirical scientific method approach and fact based evidence rule of law as a bases of making decisions, forming conclusions based on facts. Political Science is “a social science which deals with systems of governance, and the analysis of political activities, political thoughts, and political behavior.” One thing about the Scientific Method is results are not based on human emotion and is >self correcting<. If the evidence does not support your hypothesis or results can not be repeated; you make a different conclusion or make a different hypothesis. Politics are beliefs how we all should act or behave, which laws are right or best for the governed as a Nation. Democracy or Communism, Capitalism or Socialism, are political beliefs and laws result from these political beliefs. The Declaration of Independence and US Constitution are laws of America based on political beliefs that Americans were willing to fight a physical war of independence because they rejected the imperial rule and laws of an ancient English king and aristocracy in a land smaller than the state of Alabama!

What struck me as I read this thread was how in other parts of the world more extreme beliefs based on unverified opinions as facts in not-so social media have had tragic results. Let me make clear that I’m not comparing or implying that anyone who does not support private property rights would behave like some have in the largest democratic country in the world, India, or other parts of the world but are examples of how misuse of not-so social media can go.

Huffington Post. Fake Videos, Photos And Messages Circulate On Social Media Amid India Pakistan Tensions
Forbes. WhatsApp India Tip Line Latest Salvo In Facebook's Fake News Offensive
AP News. Report: Russia still using social media to roil US politics

Is the blurring of opinion and belief as fact in anti-social media helpful? Or should we teach and use “critical thinking” skills and look at legal records and verifiable facts? Or do the Ends Justify the Means? If you believe it and influence enough people to follow along, majority rules over minority rights, because it is expedient and beneficial to the majority regardless of the facts and law?

Is social media misinformation just personal “beliefs” or dirty politics or both? Are these social media beliefs and property rights misinformation helping anyone locally? Or will partisan social media beliefs and old school “news” media baseless misinformation result in; destruction of private property, staged unlawful protests, hoaxes for media attention, voodoo economic Dead Zones predictions, bizarre active shooter video on the beach, baseless police reports, nude beach protests? This is while the courts are in session to hear the facts of public recreational customary use of private property on 1,200 private property parcels and 4,600+ property owners.

Public customary use of private property is an old English common law doctrine. Not a political doctrine or economic doctrine. Those two doctrines are the political Why to litigate public customary use of private property. The courts will/should rule only on the law and the legal ancient English, not American, many custom criteria, that many property owners feel is “repugnant”, to use an old English legal customary use term, to the US Constitution or at least we will soon find out. Hopefully we can think critically and learn from the rest of the world’s use of social media in making decisions and forming beliefs and behave civilly. What if private property rights prevail in court? What’s next in the internet public square?

I wrote this last week before the previous posts/observations about this thread.
As I read over from the beginning of the thread “Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy” I’m struck by how unverified opinions and beliefs in online forums, not-so social media, social media “influencers”, and partisan “news” influences people’s behavior and actions. We can all have an opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts as the old saying goes.

When it comes to important matters I “believe” in critical thinking, an empirical scientific method approach and fact based evidence rule of law as a bases of making decisions, forming conclusions based on facts. Political Science is “a social science which deals with systems of governance, and the analysis of political activities, political thoughts, and political behavior.” One thing about the Scientific Method is results are not based on human emotion and is >self correcting<. If the evidence does not support your hypothesis or results can not be repeated; you make a different conclusion or make a different hypothesis. Politics are beliefs how we all should act or behave, which laws are right or best for the governed as a Nation. Democracy or Communism, Capitalism or Socialism, are political beliefs and laws result from these political beliefs. The Declaration of Independence and US Constitution are laws of America based on political beliefs that Americans were willing to fight a physical war of independence because they rejected the imperial rule and laws of an ancient English king and aristocracy in a land smaller than the state of Alabama!

What struck me as I read this thread was how in other parts of the world more extreme beliefs based on unverified opinions as facts in not-so social media have had tragic results. Let me make clear that I’m not comparing or implying that anyone who does not support private property rights would behave like some have in the largest democratic country in the world, India, or other parts of the world but are examples of how misuse of not-so social media can go.

Huffington Post. Fake Videos, Photos And Messages Circulate On Social Media Amid India Pakistan Tensions
Forbes. WhatsApp India Tip Line Latest Salvo In Facebook's Fake News Offensive
AP News. Report: Russia still using social media to roil US politics

Is the blurring of opinion and belief as fact in anti-social media helpful? Or should we teach and use “critical thinking” skills and look at legal records and verifiable facts? Or do the Ends Justify the Means? If you believe it and influence enough people to follow along, majority rules over minority rights, because it is expedient and beneficial to the majority regardless of the facts and law?

Is social media misinformation just personal “beliefs” or dirty politics or both? Are these social media beliefs and property rights misinformation helping anyone locally? Or will partisan social media beliefs and old school “news” media baseless misinformation result in; destruction of private property, staged unlawful protests, hoaxes for media attention, voodoo economic Dead Zones predictions, bizarre active shooter video on the beach, baseless police reports, nude beach protests? This is while the courts are in session to hear the facts of public recreational customary use of private property on 1,200 private property parcels and 4,600+ property owners.

Public customary use of private property is an old English common law doctrine. Not a political doctrine or economic doctrine. Those two doctrines are the political Why to litigate public customary use of private property. The courts will/should rule only on the law and the legal ancient English, not American, many custom criteria, that many property owners feel is “repugnant”, to use an old English legal customary use term, to the US Constitution or at least we will soon find out. Hopefully we can think critically and learn from the rest of the world’s use of social media in making decisions and forming beliefs and behave civilly. What if private property rights prevail in court? What’s next in the internet public square?

Sometimes you just gotta lay down on the beach in the warm sun and relax.

Sometimes you just gotta lay down on the beach in the warm sun and relax.

Where do you think I was when I wrote those observations? Enjoying and relaxing on our own quiet private beachfront our family has used and chosen to share with many for many decades. But if property rights prevail in court - I'll reconsider. You can thank the Walton Commissioners and anti-social media for that.

On Sunday, local FLORIDA BEACHES FOR ALL attorney, Daniel Uhlfelder, dropped what he was in the middle of during his holiday weekend and raced down the hiway miles away to interview a tourist whom he heard was unhappy to find out that not all beaches are public.

Uhlfelder now brags that his videos he has plastered all over social media have over 40,000 views.

At the end of the interview, all he could do was tell the day-tripper: "I'm sorry. yeah. I'm sorry.... yeah I'm sorry."

Why didn't he invite the day tripper back to his own private beach at Watersound?

Now that actually would have been something to brag about.

On Sunday, local FLORIDA BEACHES FOR ALL attorney, Daniel Uhlfelder, dropped what he was in the middle of during his holiday weekend and raced down the hiway miles away to interview a tourist whom he heard was unhappy to find out that not all beaches are public.

FACT: A beach front owner emailed the county commissioners and county attorney several months ago citing very specific concerns regarding customary use. ON THE SAME DAY, David Rauschkolb responds directly to this email. IOW Dave R immediately obtained this email without having to lift a finger from someone at the county, purposefully and for obvious reasons.

CONJECTURE: Could somebody at the Sheriff’s department be forwarding real-time trespassing complaints to Daniel Uhlfelder for the purpose of generating propaganda?

Inquiring minds want to know.

On Sunday, local FLORIDA BEACHES FOR ALL attorney, Daniel Uhlfelder, dropped what he was in the middle of during his holiday weekend and raced down the hiway miles away to interview a tourist whom he heard was unhappy to find out that not all beaches are public.

Uhlfelder now brags that his videos he has plastered all over social media have over 40,000 views.

At the end of the interview, all he could do was tell the day-tripper: "I'm sorry. yeah. I'm sorry.... yeah I'm sorry."

Why didn't he invite the day tripper back to his own private beach at Watersound?

Now that actually would have been something to brag about.

Correction: I meant Daniel Uhlfelder could have and should have invited the day tripper to HIS private beach at *WATERCOLOR*.

Correction: I meant Daniel Uhlfelder could have and should have invited the day tripper to HIS private beach at *WATERCOLOR*.

Wait! What? Those two home bases of Watercolor and Watersound are private beach? You must be part of their "Boojee Cub" to touch their sand? They don't allow access to lowly Walton County locals, tax paying residents? They don't "share their beach"? They don't practice "beaches for all"? No one, not even prominent, social media star residents that live there, have demonstrated, filmed shaming videos, engaged in sit ins on either one of those beaches? They haven't posted videos of victimized homeowners on their beaches, or pictures of the multi million dollar homes there? I wonder how those Watersound and Watercolor neighbors would feel if we publicly organized an all out assault on their elitist, greedy, thieving, illegal, immoral, evil ways of keeping us off of our "God given" beaches because they think that they OWN them? Let's ponder that for a minute.........

If there was any question of the Customary Us Militant, the Ends Justify the Means, spend however much of Walton tax payers money it takes strategy?

April 2016 Dave Rauschkolb NW FL Daily [CU] News
"Oh yes, we will spend whatever it takes and put as much time in as is necessary. Good luck sir but you will not win this one with ease if at all. We are all in it for the long run and don't think we don't have the money to see this through; we are far from afraid of the money of a few [now 650+] beach front homeowners. There are far, far more property owners in South Walton who have invested in this area and will demand to have customary use of the [private property] beaches. They are from all over America and have plenty of money to organize a war chest to fund this if necessary. ... Game on."

How much are Walton Commissioners willing to spend of Walton tax payers money to fight the war on public customary use of private property?
October 25, 2016 Commissioner Comander answer, $40,000,000 or $50,000,000 tax payer dollars. That may be double that if private property owners prevail and that’s no gaslighting.
Board of County Commissioners on 2016-10-25 9:00 AM - Regular Meeting - Oct 25th, 2016
Click link and press Play.

March 13, 2018 Walton BCC Regular Meeting
Commissioner Toney Anderson. As long as I’m drawing a breath we [Commissioners] are going to fight for this.
Board of County Commissioners on 2018-03-13 4:00 PM - Regular Meeting - Mar 13th, 2018

March 21, 2018. South Walton REALTOR publicly announced meeting hosted by REALTOR CEO Keith Dean, with Florida House Representative Brad Drake [who voted for HB631 along with a super majority of the FL legislature and Governor, rebuking 5 partisan Commissioners], Commissioner Tony Anderson, Walton Administrator and former Commissioner Larry Jones, and Walton Attorney Heather Christmann that was a follow up to the March 15, 2018 REALTOR/Walton Strategic meeting.
Tony Anderson; “Anyway. We feel fortunate we got the language we [Walton County] wanted in there [2018 HB631]. We feel fortunate the [Florida Legislator] Speaker let it [HB631] pass with it [the language] in there. ... The battles, we may have lost the battle; but we’re going to win the war.”

Aug 28, 2018 Walton BCC Regular meeting.
Commissioner Toney Anderson praises Florida Beaches for All REALTOR Liz McMasters (on screen right) and Keith Dean, CEO Emerald Coast Association of REALTORS (ECAR) Board of Directors and Membership (3,500 REALTORS) as "warrior for customary use" for customary use. Another reason beachfront property owners should tell Walton REALTORS beachfront owners will use Bay county REALTORS and not Walton Realtors. Board of County Commissioners on 2018-08-28 9:00 AM - Regular Meeting - Aug 28th, 2018

May 2019. Disturbing CU advocate posts on FB active shooter video "solving" private beaches by shooting trespassers?


2018 Staged altercations by attorneys with law enforcement and May 26, 2019 not so social media posts “We will win this battle [to use private property beaches] with the help of brave beach soldiers like yourself.”



Beachfront owners never considered and did not need to mark the property boundaries in accordance with the Sheriff's trespass SOP or security guards before disrespectful aggressive customary beach users, the staged for anti-social media beach altercations, "Survey Says" beliefs, national staged political stunts, hoax beach fences for media attention, fake police reports on private property advocate, active shooter beach video, and a militant CU strategy to mobilize the beach soldiers with unsubstantiated "beliefs" and not facts or understanding of the law.

I wonder where I can hire security for our private beach if/when needed?

Wait! What? Those two home bases of Watercolor and Watersound are private beach? You must be part of their "Boojee Cub" to touch their sand? They don't allow access to lowly Walton County locals, tax paying residents? They don't "share their beach"? They don't practice "beaches for all"? No one, not even prominent, social media star residents that live there, have demonstrated, filmed shaming videos, engaged in sit ins on either one of those beaches? They haven't posted videos of victimized homeowners on their beaches, or pictures of the multi million dollar homes there? I wonder how those Watersound and Watercolor neighbors would feel if we publicly organized an all out assault on their elitist, greedy, thieving, illegal, immoral, evil ways of keeping us off of our "God given" beaches because they think that they OWN them? Let's ponder that for a minute.........

Not only is Dave Rauschkolb's Watersound beach and Daniel Uhlfelder's Watercolor beach BOTH PRIVATE, they BOTH INTERVENED AGAINST customary use of their beaches.

See court documents 167, 400, and 264.

The residents of Watersound and Watercolor will no doubt offer they believe that access and use are 2 alternative different things.

Question for Customary Use supporters - Public density across the beaches?
Access and use, convenience advantages & solutions for housekeeping on our beach
Read all the posts on the pages.

BTW. NO Seaside 30A beach-side LLC business owns beachfront. The Seaside developer owns the dunes, constructed walkovers, and dry sand to the MHWL in Seaside. All fact in Walton Property Appraiser and Clerk of Court public records. The Seaside developer is 1 of the 650+ private property owners intervening against Walton’s public customary use of private property litigation too.

I live in the south but I am not for ignorance, lynchings, sister love, beer, NASCAR and pickup trucks. If I were to live in a community with a "private" beach it wouldn't mean I was for or against the issue. Dumb argument.

I live in the south but I am not for ignorance, lynchings, sister love, beer, NASCAR and pickup trucks. If I were to live in a community with a "private" beach it wouldn't mean I was for or against the issue. Dumb argument.

But you could make an argument in the past all those activities you listed should be protected in the South by the belief in customary use if you use the same criteria used by CU advocates for public customary use use of private property. Just sayin. The common law doctrine of custom is not just for highly desired private beachfront. Could be hunting land, Bay shores, river banks, lake shores, contracts, family law ... whatever the surveys and polls show?

The common law doctrine of custom is not just for highly desired private beachfront. Could be hunting land.....

Yep, and let’s not forget Theriaque (attorney for county FOR customary use) successfully defended private property owners against hunters (AGAINST customary use) who “customarily used the land for hunting”.

I’ll go out on a limb....hunting has always been more of a custom than sitting on the beach with a mai-tai.