Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Beach Lover

Apr 25, '19 · 7:46 AM526,5042

When you see a PCB or Destin bumper sticker, what thought immediately comes to mind? Probably same for all of us with any time spent here - nice, but it ain’t 30A! Do you remember why you started renting/visiting here? What was it? Remember when you bought your first 30A property? Why here?
Because it was DIFFERENT, right? Remember the words you used to describe it to family and friends as you invited them here? “Private” “Quiet” “Intimate” “Less crowded”. That wasn’t by accident. The entire genetic code of Sowal beaches is because of the private ownership and neighborhood beach personalities.
You could rent “private beach”. You could buy “private beach”. There wasn’t a free for all frat party atmosphere because of unlimited public beach access on the sands. That behavior was regulated by the privately owned property where such behavior was immediately squelched. And yet, by custom, no one was ever “Kicked off” of private beaches because owners don’t do that unless bad actors abuse the privilege.
Walton County has always had more than 50% PUBLIC beach. Still does. That hasn’t changed. There are now deliberately misleading fear tactics out there with scary words like “Quiet Title” and “Privatization”, neither of which have affected one single square inch of public beach, not one. Yet, the mob mentality, orchestrated by local carnival barkers eager for fame and notoriety, and dollars, have mislead the citizens and deliberately tried to divide the community in a shell game of Customary Use.
The fact is that the county outran the capabilities of local Commissioners to plan for growth 20 years ago, and we haven’t improved that talent to deal with it even yet. So the County, in failing to plan beach availability, tried to illegally claim private property as public, without following the laws requiring judicial oversight. The local Good Ol’ Boys overreached their authority and got caught by the adults in Tallahassee. So they then decides to sue 4,800 of Sowal citizens to take their property. That’s right, your tax money is being spent, and a lot of it, to SUE almost 5,000 of your neighbors, and steal what they agreed to purchase at a premium, and have a deed to prove it.
Don’t blame them please, they didn’t want or ask for this fight. They live here and care for these beaches just like you and me. Go meet them, they are truly the eclectic fabric of 30A. The signs they had to put up are just in defense of this new orchestrated public attack against them.
The bottom line is this: The minute you release the public to occupy all of Sowal beaches, you IMMEDIATELY get nasty Destin and PCB problems. How will you feel about that 30A sticker then? Nostalgic? Me too.

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Beach Fanatic

Jun 23, '19 · 4:52 PM#8521

SO WHAT! Are the facts any different? Are the questions not answered asked not valid?

Dave Rauschkolb you should know the difference between anonymous and pseudonyms. Why do you keep repeating yourself about "anonymous" posts? Ben Franklin and Mark Twin used pseudonyms and that did not lessen the facts they wrote about. The facts are facts no matter what name you use.
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Lake View Too's ad nauseum mantra must have worked on you.
"The first and perhaps the only rule in propaganda is: if you tell a lie over and over and over and over and over again, the populace will start to believe it is true. That’s what this thread is all about." At least LV2 has stopped those repetitive senseless posts and disrespectful grave photo-manipulated image.
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Your meaningless whining (to use CU advocates word) has been addressed before. #538 Are you referring to Lake View Too, bob bob, poppaj, Dawn, EZ4144, MRBS, Duchess, Jenksy, L.C. Bane, mputnal, buster, Leader of the Banned, Emerald Drifter, ShallowsNole, or jodiFL on this thread? How do you know Jim Tucker, James Bentwood, Pam Hicks are not pseudonyms? Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy

"I never even thought for a second to represent anyone but myself when I got on this forum so many years ago." You never for a second had mass antisocial media lies, shaming, or staging confrontations on your private property either.

"Is it really behavior that caused the CU vs Private beach issue?" Behavior, cause CU? NO. Commissioners baseless CU beliefs lit the fire and caused "the CU vs Private beach issue?" You and those that just believe CU fan the flames on antisocial media and make it worse.

Beach Lover

Jun 23, '19 · 5:35 PM#853

To Dave:

Ladies and Gentlemen of SoWal,
The fact that Dave refuses to answer a single legitimate question as the Chairman of the Activist group driving this noise, should tell you a lot. He complains about normal practice of online screen names. He sees ghosts in the shadows by the common misspelling of a single word. Yet, if he REALLY wanted to know these identities, we have seen here that many of them have offered to sit in public, in the daylight, for a public discussion of the facts. No less than 8 people, including here, have asked Dave for this discussion. He refuses. I can't tell you why he spends all of his time attacking identities but not a minute solving or even DISCUSSING the problem. But you can ask yourself - why won't he meet in public with Reggie and others if it's SOOOOOOOO important to know their identity?

Beach Fanatic

Jun 23, '19 · 8:04 PM#854

What are we missing here? Nina Horn, a Scenic Sotheby's Realtor is President of ECAR.

Emerald Coast Association of Realtors (ECARS) President Nina McCaslin-Horn ECAR predecessor is Liz McMaster, a Florida Beaches for All (FBFA) board member. I said I'd consider listing with the 3 Scenic Sotheby's brokers on the letter - not any Walton agent, including Nina.

Understand you are good buds with CEO Arnold Keith Dean, who hosted your FBFA February 26, 2019 CU [mis]information meeting at the ECAR South Walton offices, obviously you know REALTOR Liz McMasters, and you must know current ECAR President Nina McCaslin-Horn. Why don't you tell us what we are missing; does the ECAR President support CU or not?

"No, this is not about private property..." What is it about Commissioners' litigation with 4,671 BOFs that's "not about private property"?
If I were you and did not have anything CREDIBLE to add you should remain silent to the CU questions; but the meaningless photos are getting old. No factual credibility.

Great Paul Zmigroski reply to your NW Florida Fake News baseless Guest Column. Won't even address the fake FateEady CUer posting as a property advocate - like SoWal fake "Pam Hicks" stupid posts to discredit the President.

Beach Fanatic

Jun 23, '19 · 8:26 PM#8551

Yes because every member agrees with ECAR leadership lol. What a stupid position to take.

Blake Morar and Chris Abbott, both owners/brokers of Scenic Sotheby’s in Santa Rosa Beach penned the following letter, definitely taking the high road without taking sides.

I don’t think their position is stupid. Contrary, it was well thought out and it took balls to stand up to the very unprofessional way ECAR has injected themselves in the CU debate.

Maybe the other owned Sotheby offices are in disagreement including the one Nina McCaslin Horn works for. BTW, she’s only a realtor, not a broker or owner according to Sotheby’s website.

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SoWal Insider

Jun 23, '19 · 8:31 PM#856

Blake Morar and Chris Abbott, both owners/brokers of Scenic Sotheby’s in Santa Rosa Beach penned the following letter, definitely taking the high road without taking sides.

I don’t think their position is stupid. Contrary, it was well thought out and it took balls to stand up to the non-professional way ECAR has injected themselves in the CU debate.View attachment 77638

Yes it’s stupid because you choose to punish all of the other members on leadership opinion without knowing their personal positions. Stupid.

Beach Fanatic

Jun 23, '19 · 8:59 PM#857

Yes it’s stupid because you choose to punish all of the other members on leadership opinion without knowing their personal positions. Stupid.

Then why don’t the other members who agree that ECAR should not be taking a stand, for or against, simply pen their own letters to ECAR? Fear of reprisal?

Just to clarify, an agent can have their own personal opinion on CU - I have no problem with that. But to be associated with ECAR and not speak up as Blake Morar and Chris Abbott that ANY STAND on CU by that real estate organization which is supposedly held to higher standard than your typical business is wrong and unprofessional.

Call me stupid, but I’d seriously consider taking my business to Blake and Chris first.

Oh wait....you already did.

Edited Jun 23, '19 · 9:06 PM

Beach Fanatic

Jun 23, '19 · 9:30 PM#858

That is the most BS narrative that you can come up with. To say that Florida beaches for all has had anything to do with harassing anyone is ridiculous. I’ve spoken at length with the sheriff as well. Individuals, Good people who have invested here and are not beachfront owners and those who are are visiting here, react to having their right to use the beaches restricted on their own and it happens pretty often on our SoWal beaches. I’m sure that those instances are well documented with the Sheriff. We, Florida beaches for all has no control or coordination whatsoever in what happens on our beaches and for you to insinuate that Florida beaches for all has anything to do with harassing anyone is an absolutely outrageous statement.

Beach Fanatic

Jun 23, '19 · 10:02 PM#859

That is the most BS narrative that you can come up with. To say that Florida beaches for all has had anything to do with harassing anyone is ridiculous. I’ve spoken at length with the sheriff as well. Individuals, Good people who have invested here and are not beachfront owners and those who are are visiting here, react to having their right to use the beaches restricted on their own and it happens pretty often on our SoWal beaches. I’m sure that those instances are well documented with the Sheriff. We, Florida beaches for all has no control or coordination whatsoever in what happens on our beaches and for you to insinuate that Florida beaches for all has anything to do with harassing anyone is an absolutely outrageous statement.

#883 Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy
Dave Rauschkolb, do you deny Florida Beaches for All (FBFA) attorney Daniel Uhlfelder intentionally trespassed on Vizcaya private property on multiple near-consecutive days and posted it on social media was not planned (staged)? The Deputies told Uhlfelder he was on private property the first time he trespassed, Vizcaya's legal plat and public pedestrian easement to the foreshore has been post on this thread, Walton Beach Director BCC video was heard to say many (including Vizcaya) easements are on PRIVATE property and the Commissioners, TDC, and public have NO rights other than crossing the sand to the foreshore. Your posts are Not CREDIBLE. Or do you just choose not to believe legal documents and the law?

What legal "right" do people and visitors have to use private property beaches without the owners consent? Please specify the US law or do you believe it is just the "law of the sand"?

Beach Fanatic

Jun 23, '19 · 10:13 PM#860

That is the most BS narrative that you can come up with. To say that Florida beaches for all has had anything to do with harassing anyone is ridiculous. I’ve spoken at length with the sheriff as well. Individuals, Good people who have invested here and are not beachfront owners and those who are are visiting here, react to having their right to use the beaches restricted on their own and it happens pretty often on our SoWal beaches. I’m sure that those instances are well documented with the Sheriff. We, Florida beaches for all has no control or coordination whatsoever in what happens on our beaches and for you to insinuate that Florida beaches for all has anything to do with harassing anyone is an absolutely outrageous statement.

You know what’s BS? My post that you’re responding to no longer exists.

You know what else is even bigger BS? Your inability to admit to anything..

Fact. Daniel Uhlfelder was instrumental in forming FBFA.

Fact. Daniel Uhlfelder legally represents FBFA as co-plaintiff.

Fact. Daniel Uhlfelder intentionally trespassed on private property on multiple occasions to harass the private property OWNERS as well as the sherrriifff’s department.

Maybe you failed Logic 101, but as I and many others see it, FBFA is simply guilty of harassment. Throw as much “BS” at it as you can but you will NEVER cover up those simple and clear facts.

Added: Just another nail in the coffin of 30A’s “Legacy”.

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Beach Fanatic

Jun 23, '19 · 10:25 PM#861

Yes it’s stupid because you choose to punish all of the other members on leadership opinion without knowing their personal positions. Stupid.

Punishment? My position who I would list my beachfront property, now or in the future, is a consequence, not a punishment, of ECAR CEO Keith Dean and past and present President leadership policy on CU of my private property and Walton Realtors apparent acceptance of ECAR's CU position; except Scenic Sotheby brokers. I'd use Scenic Sotheby's brokers or a Bay County Realtor before I used a Walton Realtor who accepted ECAR leaderships CU positions.

SoWal Insider

Jun 23, '19 · 10:36 PM#862

Then why don’t the other members who agree that ECAR should not be taking a stand, for or against, simply pen their own letters to ECAR? Fear of reprisal?

Just to clarify, an agent can have their own personal opinion on CU - I have no problem with that. But to be associated with ECAR and not speak up as Blake Morar and Chris Abbott that ANY STAND on CU by that real estate organization which is supposedly held to higher standard than your typical business is wrong and unprofessional.

Call me stupid, but I’d seriously consider taking my business to Blake and Chris first.

Oh wait....you already did.

I’m sure they’re all penning letters right now out of fear of losing your business. :lol:

Beach Fanatic

Jun 23, '19 · 10:53 PM#863

I’m sure they’re all penning letters right now out of fear of losing your business.

No Poppaj, they should just pen their letters because it’s simply the right thing to do, like Blake Morar and Chris Abbott did.

SoWal Insider

Jun 23, '19 · 11:05 PM#864

No Poppaj, they should just pen their letters because it’s simply the right thing to do, like Blake Morar and Chris Abbott did.

No, they shouldn’t.

Beach Lover

Jun 24, '19 · 7:11 AM#865

Good morning, Blue Mountain Beach Vagrant. I'm worried about you. You are on the site ALL THE TIME. It's
summer so go outside and enjoy your beach-front property. Honestly!! Get a hobby, read a book. Coastal
Library branch has some good selections in the New Arrivals section; I checked out a book last week. Enjoy!

Beach LoverAuthor

Jun 24, '19 · 8:05 AM#866

Dave,

Nice creative writing. Problem is, everything in your letter is based on a false premise. You may wish that words were in laws the way you like them, they are not. You may wish to control someone else's property, you cannot. Shifting sands smells like a shifty sleight of hand. Our heritage is not a socialist heritage of sharing, but rather one of protection of rights, including personal property, not communal in nature. You may wish that people didn't own what they do, but none of that is true.

Therefore your letter is a wish list, like unicorns and rainbows. The sherrifff seems to be recognizing the position CU has put him in. The public seems to have woken up to the charade. Several people have repeatedly asked for a public forum to discuss.

Dave, as the voice of the movement, You ready?

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Beach Fanatic

Jun 24, '19 · 8:15 AM#867

No Poppaj, they should just pen their letters because it’s simply the right thing to do, like Blake Morar and Chris Abbott did.

Want to make clear, to CUers, about any BFO decision to use a Walton ECAR Realtor or not. Scenic Sotherby's brokers advocated for ECAR leadership to take NO position on public customary use of private property. ECAR Realtor leadership, CEO Keith Dean and member elected ECAR Presidents, representing, what 3,000+ ECAR Realtors, choose not to remain neutral but to pick sides on property rights or CU based on their personal CU agenda IMO - in opposition to the Nation Realtor policy on property rights. Good on Scenic Sotherby's brokers and what a "handful" of Realtors (and BFOs) to publicly call for ECAR to follow their own Nation Realtor policy. One beachfront listing would bring what 10 times(?) more commission than a listing north of 98? An ECAR agent would have to list and sale 10(?) private properties for each private beachfront property?

NAR FPC Training & Federal Policy Conference
Private Property Rights and Public Land Transfers Issue Summary
NAR Policy: Governments shall not arbitrarily infringe on the basic right of the individual to acquire, possess and
freely transfer real property, and shall protect private property rights as referred to in the 5th and 14th Amendments of the United States Constitution.

NAR supports legislative implementation of the 5th Amendment’s guarantee of compensation when property rights are taken. Every person should have the right to acquire real property with confidence and certainty that the use or value of such property will not be wholly or substantially eliminated by governmental action at any level without just compensation or the owner's express consent.

NAR Land Use & Property Rights
Political Advocacy
Governments shall not arbitrarily infringe [without due process first] on the basic right of the individual to acquire, possess [, have private enjoyment of] and freely transfer real property, and shall protect private property rights as referred to in the 5th and 14th Amendments of the United States Constitution. This is a foundational element for all REALTORS and for NAR.”

Beach Lover

Jun 24, '19 · 8:40 AM#868

Library opens at 9am

Beach Fanatic

Jun 24, '19 · 9:45 AM#869

Library opens at 9am

Maybe Dave, Daniel and everyone on social media who "believes" in Walton CU can go to the library and learn about the history of an archaic English legal doctrine of custom and what the criteria are or read the American Constitution?

SoWal Insider

Jun 24, '19 · 10:14 AM#870

Want to make clear, to CUers, about any BFO decision to use a Walton ECAR Realtor or not. Scenic Sotherby's brokers advocated for ECAR leadership to take NO position on public customary use of private property. ECAR Realtor leadership, CEO Keith Dean and member elected ECAR Presidents, representing, what 3,000+ ECAR Realtors, choose not to remain neutral but to pick sides on property rights or CU based on their personal CU agenda IMO - in opposition to the Nation Realtor policy on property rights. Good on Scenic Sotherby's brokers and what a "handful" of Realtors (and BFOs) to publicly call for ECAR to follow their own Nation Realtor policy. One beachfront listing would bring what 10 times(?) more commission than a listing north of 98? An ECAR agent would have to list and sale 10(?) private properties for each private beachfront property?

NAR FPC Training & Federal Policy Conference
Private Property Rights and Public Land Transfers Issue Summary
NAR Policy: Governments shall not arbitrarily infringe on the basic right of the individual to acquire, possess and
freely transfer real property, and shall protect private property rights as referred to in the 5th and 14th Amendments of the United States Constitution.

NAR supports legislative implementation of the 5th Amendment’s guarantee of compensation when property rights are taken. Every person should have the right to acquire real property with confidence and certainty that the use or value of such property will not be wholly or substantially eliminated by governmental action at any level without just compensation or the owner's express consent.

NAR Land Use & Property Rights
Political Advocacy
Governments shall not arbitrarily infringe [without due process first] on the basic right of the individual to acquire, possess [, have private enjoyment of] and freely transfer real property, and shall protect private property rights as referred to in the 5th and 14th Amendments of the United States Constitution. This is a foundational element for all REALTORS and for NAR.”

Yes, realtors promise to follow rules and ethics of their profession and are required to attend law and ethics courses as part of their continuing education therefore there is zero need to pen a ridiculous letter to appease some snowflake homeowner.

Beach Fanatic

Jun 24, '19 · 10:23 AM#871

Good morning, Blue Mountain Beach Vagrant. I'm worried about you. You are on the site ALL THE TIME.

What can I say? I love SoWal!

Seriously, my passion for private property rights and fear of government abuse is deeply rooted. When someone like a Dave Rauschkolb can manipulate the hearts and minds of so many who don’t see the facts and real percussions of eroding private property rights, it really motivates me to speak up.

Dave is everywhere.

I don’t bother posting on Facebook. I don’t write unicorn articles and inject them via multiple outlets attacking the sanctity of owning private property with very little push back from credible sources. I don’t organize a FPPA group (Florida private property advocates) and go way out of my way to spread mistruths and generate ill will towards those who don’t own private property. I don’t grab the hands of fellow BFOs and have “Stand on Our Own Sand” demonstrations. I don’t go on the weather channel. I don’t analyze the spelling of sherrriiff...on and on and on and on.

So the time I spend just here helping to shed the light of truth to those willing to listen with an open mind is definitely worth it to me in many ways. And it pales in comparison to the time Dave R spends (you should definitely be more worried about him).

But I appreciate your concern. I’ve been working on my hole in the water and it’s hot as hell out there. Coming inside and jumping on SoWal actually helps me cool off.

Edited Jun 24, '19 · 10:36 AM

Beach Fanatic

Jun 24, '19 · 10:41 AM#872

Yes, realtors promise to follow rules and ethics of their profession and are required to attend law and ethics courses as part of their continuing education therefore there is zero need to pen a ridiculous letter to appease some snowflake homeowner.

Oh snap! Close but no cigar. Keep trying @FloridaBeachBum.

Skunky

Jun 24, '19 · 12:39 PM#873

I just wish BMBV's little fishing man avatar still worked. I used to be obsessed with it, it was pretty hypnotic.

Beach Fanatic

Jun 24, '19 · 2:01 PM#874

Don’t fret. See that $ in my signature line?

Beach Crab

Jun 24, '19 · 3:51 PM#875

Punishment? My position who I would list my beachfront property, now or in the future, is a consequence, not a punishment, of ECAR CEO Keith Dean and past and present President leadership policy on CU of my private property and Walton Realtors apparent acceptance of ECAR's CU position; except Scenic Sotheby brokers. I'd use Scenic Sotheby's brokers or a Bay County Realtor before I used a Walton Realtor who accepted ECAR leaderships CU positions.

Interesting that two Scenic Sotheby Realtors serve in top leadership positions at ECAR. They were elected by the members and support CU. Ecar has supported CU since 2016 and is not a new policy.