An Inconvenient Truth

[iceage]

Mr. Gore, IMVHO, has hit a stride in his life where he has, for the most part, given up aspirations of high public office. Anyone who knows the Gores (being a Tennessee Sheep and a politico of Middle Tenn) also knows they have had vast ambition since the days of Albert Sr Sr Sr. Truly, I think he is fukkin' done with it. No one puts on the pounds like he has and expects to be Prez of the PTA much less USA.

Not to say he hasn't been a nasty-nasty, he grew up in a family that made its gamillions of $$$$ from Occidental Ptroleum, Armand Hammer and the sale of the precious Elk Hills and the multi zillion $$$ gas and oil reserves in this "no longer conservation" land.

But the street word in Carthage is that he has had it and if there is any due course, it is time that he repay for his sins, his father's.

We could both be wrong, though, I doubt it. My next pass thru Carthage, I will stop by and see, walk as I have in the past, right up to the Gore's front door. Push thatg comforting little yeller button and hear those welcoming words.

"There is a damn sheep ringing the bell, get the prod!"

:shock:

How many houses does Mr. Gore have? How big are they and how much energy do they use each year? I bet he and his family don't all drive nice little electric cars, and I bet he flies as often as possible on fuel guzzling private jets. If he believes what he says, then he should be the leader you take him to be. But, alas, he does not put his money where his mouth is. Nope, Mr. Gore is a hypocrit of the highest degree.

 

[Jdarg]

How many houses does Mr. Gore have? How big are they and how much energy do they use each year? I bet he and his family don't all drive nice little electric cars, and I bet he flies as often as possible on fuel guzzling private jets. If he believes what he says, then he should be the leader you take him to be. But, alas, he does not put his money where his mouth is. Nope, Mr. Gore is a hypocrit of the highest degree.

I don't care how many houses he has- he is making us think and talk. Have you accomplished that on a national or global level? If so, spill it and tell us why we should listen to you.

 

[iceage]

iceage, welcome to the fun. of course there are opposing sides to any argument or research, and everyone is entitled to their own. mr. gore has made a movie based on his beliefs, just as you could make one based on your own. just like npr, you have the freedom to not listen. and, you can not see the movie.

your argument holds some weight, sure there is ebb and flow to the earth's temperature, we'd be screwed without. mr. gore freely admits the same, and he also points out how extreme things are now. his numbers go far beyond natural ebb and flow.

what i don't believe i've seen in this thread, is anyone who discounts mr. gore's argument take into acount that there are a good deal more humans on the planet now than there were before. surely these additional people and their footprints are contributing something.

what a. zalace has stated above is that even if we're(the treehuggers) wrong, is the contribution of everyone who attemps to conserve hurting things by doing so? we as a nation produce and consume more than anyone else on the planet. i don't think anyone on either side of the fence can argue against that. i for one, hope we can lower the numbers a bit, and if the movie causes just one person in each viewing audience to reduce their footprint, that's a good thing in my book.

JR--we humans are clearly impacting our environment in many, many way. Heavy metals, pesticides, chloroflourocarbons, etc, etc. I just don't buy into the notion that the major cause of the current global warming cycle is humans. I believe we are way too small compared to the oceans, atmosphere, and especially the sun. I believe wholeheartedly in conservation, recycling, etc. although I won't say that I do everything I can to help the environment. We do need to try to stop the damage we are doing to our environment. However, how many of you arguing about the environment have bought an electric car, converted your home to solar or wind power, stopped buying anything with plastic, stopped using all pesticides, detergents,and fertilizers, etc, etc, etc. We all love our cushy way of life way too much to really put an end to the damage we are doing. Plus, there are just too many humans to put an end to the damage. Our footprint is too big. But, every little bit helps so we should all try to do something every day to help our environment.

 

[iceage]

I don't care how many houses he has- he is making us think and talk. Have you accomplished that on a national or global level? If so, spill it and tell us why we should listen to you.

Mr. Gore has found a way to make a name for himself after the debacle of 2000. He is reveling in the glory and making a killing and who knows, maybe setting himself for another political run. I do not believe Mr. Gore is doing anything but seeking his own glory.

 

[Jdarg]

Mr. Gore has found a way to make a name for himself after the debacle of 2000. He is reveling in the glory and making a killing and who knows, maybe setting himself for another political run. I do not believe Mr. Gore is doing anything but seeking his own glory.

In this day and age, who would want this kind of glory? I think Mr. Gore may be wrong for the presidency, and he knows that, but may be better for the "higher callings" of educating the masses about being good global citizens, a la Jimmy Carter.

 

[John R]

i don't think anyone is making an EV that would fit into my industry. when an all elcertic or a hybrid ranger is produced, i'll happily be the first in line. does offsetting my emissions count? i'm pretty sure windpower is not viable around here, not enough sustained winds, and the house i inhabit does not face the correct direction for solar. does changing my bulbs to CFL count? when i offset my flight emissions, does that count? small, in the big scheme of things, i know, but i'm attempting to put my own best foot forward.

i'm glad to see that we're in agreement on some things with regards to consumption, and polution, etc. it just makes me nervous that there are others in your camp that are still going along on their merry way. the primrose path is quite nice.

i would be happy to be proven i'm wrong in regards to my beliefs on global warming. but what if not? then all our pleas will be for naught, and we'll be past the turning point. what then? i'll have used up all my sunscreen.

 

[iceage]

In this day and age, who would want this kind of glory? I think Mr. Gore may be wrong for the presidency, and he knows that, but may be better for the "higher callings" of educating the masses about being good global citizens, a la Jimmy Carter.

Yes, just like the anti semite Jimmy from Jawga.

 

[iceage]

When did humans begin emitting huge amounts of greenhouse gases. It would seem in the 1980's based on the recent global warming trends. In fact, we began spewing ever increasing amounts beginning in the late 1800's. So, why then, was the period 1940-mid 1970's a period of cooling. If humans and our greenhouse gases are primarily responsible for global warming, then why would we experience a marked period of cooling as greenhouse gas emmissions were ramping up higher and higher. Common sense says that the major culprits for warming and cooling periods are the sun and other natural factors with man playing a minor role in climate change.

When I see very bright people arguing two sides of an issue, I tend to go with common sense and God (nature to those of you that may not believe in God) is much, much bigger than man.

 

[BeachZealot]

When did humans begin emitting huge amounts of greenhouse gases. It would seem in the 1980's based on the recent global warming trends. In fact, we began spewing ever increasing amounts beginning in the late 1800's. So, why then, was the period 1940-mid 1970's a period of cooling. If humans and our greenhouse gases are primarily responsible for global warming, then why would we experience a marked period of cooling as greenhouse gas emmissions were ramping up higher and higher. Common sense says that the major culprits for warming and cooling periods are the sun and other natural factors with man playing a minor role in climate change.

When I see very bright people arguing two sides of an issue, I tend to go with common sense and God (nature to those of you that may not believe in God) is much, much bigger than man.

Quit being a cheap twit and go out buy the movie, then WATCH IT! You might actually learn something that is if you can keep from flapping your gums for two minutes and listen.

Maybe if you would educate yourself before you develop an opinion, you might actually come up with a good one, as opposed to developing an opinion and then searching in vane for ways to support it.

Every scientist on earth is in agreement that man has deeply impacted the health of the planet, only the politicians are in doubt. The build up in CO2 has risen geometrically over the centuries. We are now at a point were deforestation, along with the burning of fossil fuels has lead us to where we have surpassed any known historical level of atmospheric CO2 in the last 600,000 years.

I hope and pray that it is not true, but if it is, then what am I going to tell my children about why I did not do more to stop it.

What are you going to tell your kids? Screw the politics and the politicians, we are talking about the future of our children and grandchildren.

 

[iceage]

Quit being a cheap twit and go out buy the movie, then WATCH IT! You might actually learn something that is if you can keep from flapping your gums for two minutes and listen.

Maybe if you would educate yourself before you develop an opinion, you might actually come up with a good one, as opposed to developing an opinion and then searching in vane for ways to support it.

Every scientist on earth is in agreement that man has deeply impacted the health of the planet, only the politicians are in doubt. The build up in CO2 has risen geometrically over the centuries. We are now at a point were deforestation, along with the burning of fossil fuels has lead us to where we have surpassed any known historical level of atmospheric CO2 in the last 600,000 years.

I hope and pray that it is not true, but if it is, then what am I going to tell my children about why I did not do more to stop it.

What are you going to tell your kids? Screw the politics and the politicians, we are talking about the future of our children and grandchildren.

Although I am not a scientist (are you ), I am educated on the subject of climate. I was very interested in pursuing climate and meterology in college but decided to take a different route after spending some time in meteorology, climate and other science classes. I have been interested and kept up with climatology since college.

I suggest you educate yourself and not put all your faith in a propoganda movie. Go do some serious research on the subject and you will find that thousands of scientists around the world disagree with the subject of the Gore movie. Also, if you will closely read my posts, I agree that man is having an impact on our environment. I just don't believe that we are the main cause of the current period of global warming.