Is this a vigil or a protest? Is this in memory of our fallen troops or is it to promote our pull out of the Middle East? Just curious.
Candlelight Vigil 7 PM 3/19/07 Seaside P.O
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To clarify. This is a vigil to mark the 4th anniversary of the war, to honor the troops that served, and to ask to bring them home. The vigil calls for an end to the war.
Sponsored by moveon.org....funded by George Sorros...who owns millions of $$$ of Halliburton stock....as does the guy who lives on Dill Lane. I'm sure there will be some priceless soundbites as the people who tend to gravitate toward the microphones at these events are the nuttiest moveon.org can belch out.
In the face of the inevitable negative drumbeat, here is an interesting poll conducted by our British friends:
From The Sunday TimesMarch 18, 2007
Iraqis: life is getting betterMarie Colvin
MOST Iraqis believe life is better for them now than it was under Saddam Hussein, according to a British opinion poll published today.
The survey of more than 5,000 Iraqis found the majority optimistic despite their suffering in sectarian violence since the American-led invasion four years ago this week.
One in four Iraqis has had a family member murdered, says the poll by Opinion Research Business. In Baghdad, the capital, one in four has had a relative kidnapped and one in three said members of their family had fled abroad. But when asked whether they preferred life under Saddam, the dictator who was executed last December, or under Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, most replied that things were better for them today.
Only 27% think there is a civil war in Iraq, compared with 61% who do not, according to the survey carried out last month.
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Resilient Iraqis ask what civil war?
Violence slashed as troop surge hits Baghdad
By a majority of two to one, Iraqis believe military operations now under way will disarm all militias. More than half say security will improve after a withdrawal of multinational forces.
Margaret Beckett, the foreign secretary, said the findings pointed to progress. “There is no widespread violence in the four southern provinces and the fact that the picture is more complex than the stereotype usually portrayed is reflected in today’s poll,” she said.
Skunk's note:Here is how they obtained their data, since this is 180 degrees out of phase with conventional wisdom:
The opinion poll was conducted by ORB and the survey details are as follows:
•Results are based on face-to-face interviews amongst a nationally representative sample of 5,019 adults aged 18 years + throughout Iraq.
•The standard margin of error on the sample size is +1.4%
•The methodology uses multi-stage random probability sampling and covers every one of the eighteen governorates within Iraq.
•Interviews conducted 10th – 22nd February 2007.
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Who started this war? What were the reasons stated for choosing this fight? Who changed the reasonong for this war? What corporations benefit most from this war? How many American soldiers and innocent Iraqi citizens have died in this war? Were their deaths worth it? Is criticizing the war nutty or unpatriotic? Are the veterans of this war being treated fairly for their medical needs once home? How much money has our country borrowed to fight this war? Why do the vast majority of our allies refuse to participate in this war? Is our standing in the world enhanced by this war? Would we be there if there were no oil? How many active duty military or reservists have you talked with about the situation on the ground in Iraq? Why do you think Halliburton is moving offshore? Would you send your son or daughter to bring democracy to Iraq? What's the difference between stubborn and stupid?Sponsored by moveon.org....funded by George Sorros...who owns millions of $$$ of Halliburton stock....as does the guy who lives on Dill Lane. I'm sure there will be some priceless soundbites as the people who tend to gravitate toward the microphones at these events are the nuttiest moveon.org can belch out.
In the face of the inevitable negative drumbeat, here is an interesting poll conducted by our British friends:
From The Sunday TimesMarch 18, 2007
Iraqis: life is getting betterMarie Colvin
MOST Iraqis believe life is better for them now than it was under Saddam Hussein, according to a British opinion poll published today.
The survey of more than 5,000 Iraqis found the majority optimistic despite their suffering in sectarian violence since the American-led invasion four years ago this week.
One in four Iraqis has had a family member murdered, says the poll by Opinion Research Business. In Baghdad, the capital, one in four has had a relative kidnapped and one in three said members of their family had fled abroad. But when asked whether they preferred life under Saddam, the dictator who was executed last December, or under Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, most replied that things were better for them today.
Only 27% think there is a civil war in Iraq, compared with 61% who do not, according to the survey carried out last month.
Related Links
Resilient Iraqis ask what civil war?
Violence slashed as troop surge hits Baghdad
By a majority of two to one, Iraqis believe military operations now under way will disarm all militias. More than half say security will improve after a withdrawal of multinational forces.
Margaret Beckett, the foreign secretary, said the findings pointed to progress. ?There is no widespread violence in the four southern provinces and the fact that the picture is more complex than the stereotype usually portrayed is reflected in today?s poll,? she said.
Skunk's note:Here is how they obtained their data, since this is 180 degrees out of phase with conventional wisdom:
The opinion poll was conducted by ORB and the survey details are as follows:
?Results are based on face-to-face interviews amongst a nationally representative sample of 5,019 adults aged 18 years + throughout Iraq.
?The standard margin of error on the sample size is +1.4%
?The methodology uses multi-stage random probability sampling and covers every one of the eighteen governorates within Iraq.
?Interviews conducted 10th ? 22nd February 2007.
Who started this war? The foundation was laid by Saddam in 1990 when he demonstrated his thuggery and invaded Kuwait. Following his removal by force from Kuwait, he agreed to follow certain provisions of surrender. If he had any sense he could have shown a small amount of remorse following 9/11 and pledged his support in assisting our fight against terrorism, including providing reassurance he would not supply any form of assistance to said groups. He refused to allow inspections of his facilities and was a stubborn ass, thus he was removed from power. Basically the same reason Clinton authorized periodic airstrikes against Iraq before the stakes were raised following 9/11.
What were the reasons stated for choosing this fight? To make sure Saddam didn't have WMD he could give to some wild eyed terrorists and to make sure Iraq didn't become a safe haven for said scumbags. To attempt to make Iraq a nidus of democratic stability in an area of the globe that sorely needs it.
Who changed the reasonong for this war? The goals have not changed. Saddam's removal has been accomplished (dare I say mission accomplished?); There is no further threat of Chemical Ali passing a vial of Sarin to a flea bitten terrorist to use as he sees fit. Now we have to work on stabilizing the country!
What corporations benefit most from this war? Just the ones that prosper when the Earth is a safer place to conduct commerce.
How many American soldiers and innocent Iraqi citizens have died in this war? The number of US soldiers is what, 3000 or so? Not sure about the number of innocent Iraqi citizens, but as evidenced by the poll I cited, they are happier now than they were under Saddam;certainly, this war has resulted in far fewer 'innocent' deaths than was carried out by benevolent Saddam.
Were their deaths worth it? If you believe the poll cited above, yes.
Is criticizing the war nutty or unpatriotic? No, there is certainly room for criticism.
Are the veterans of this war being treated fairly for their medical needs once home? They are probably treated well in general with the Walter Reed mess being the exception rather than the rule.
How much money has our country borrowed to fight this war? I don't know, but I would consider it good debt if it benefits us.
Why do the vast majority of our allies refuse to participate in this war? Because they did not feel the sense of urgency we did following 9/11...not to mention the fact that some of our allies were neck deep in corrupt $$$ with Saddam.
Is our standing in the world enhanced by this war? In the grand scheme of things, who gives a damn what the rest of the world thinks of us? I certainly don't lose sleep knowing that some dope in France thinks we are morons.
Would we be there if there were no oil? An inconvenient truth, Iraq's economy revolves around Texas tea. If they had no oil, Saddam wouldn't have been there either. Furthermore, if we invaded countries for the sake of 'getting oil', wouldn't we be all over Venezuela and Canada right about now?
How many active duty military or reservists have you talked with about the situation on the ground in Iraq? I spoke with a few at the VA in New Orleans. And you?
Why do you think Halliburton is moving offshore? To get away from nutty leftists? To move closer to someplace George Soros frequents?
Would you send your son or daughter to bring democracy to Iraq? They would make the decision for themselves, I am not a (toppled) dictator like Saddam.
What's the difference between stubborn and stupid? Stubborn is a mule, stupid is a jackass.
What were the reasons stated for choosing this fight? To make sure Saddam didn't have WMD he could give to some wild eyed terrorists and to make sure Iraq didn't become a safe haven for said scumbags. To attempt to make Iraq a nidus of democratic stability in an area of the globe that sorely needs it.
Who changed the reasonong for this war? The goals have not changed. Saddam's removal has been accomplished (dare I say mission accomplished?); There is no further threat of Chemical Ali passing a vial of Sarin to a flea bitten terrorist to use as he sees fit. Now we have to work on stabilizing the country!
What corporations benefit most from this war? Just the ones that prosper when the Earth is a safer place to conduct commerce.
How many American soldiers and innocent Iraqi citizens have died in this war? The number of US soldiers is what, 3000 or so? Not sure about the number of innocent Iraqi citizens, but as evidenced by the poll I cited, they are happier now than they were under Saddam;certainly, this war has resulted in far fewer 'innocent' deaths than was carried out by benevolent Saddam.
Were their deaths worth it? If you believe the poll cited above, yes.
Is criticizing the war nutty or unpatriotic? No, there is certainly room for criticism.
Are the veterans of this war being treated fairly for their medical needs once home? They are probably treated well in general with the Walter Reed mess being the exception rather than the rule.
How much money has our country borrowed to fight this war? I don't know, but I would consider it good debt if it benefits us.
Why do the vast majority of our allies refuse to participate in this war? Because they did not feel the sense of urgency we did following 9/11...not to mention the fact that some of our allies were neck deep in corrupt $$$ with Saddam.
Is our standing in the world enhanced by this war? In the grand scheme of things, who gives a damn what the rest of the world thinks of us? I certainly don't lose sleep knowing that some dope in France thinks we are morons.
Would we be there if there were no oil? An inconvenient truth, Iraq's economy revolves around Texas tea. If they had no oil, Saddam wouldn't have been there either. Furthermore, if we invaded countries for the sake of 'getting oil', wouldn't we be all over Venezuela and Canada right about now?
How many active duty military or reservists have you talked with about the situation on the ground in Iraq? I spoke with a few at the VA in New Orleans. And you?
Why do you think Halliburton is moving offshore? To get away from nutty leftists? To move closer to someplace George Soros frequents?
Would you send your son or daughter to bring democracy to Iraq? They would make the decision for themselves, I am not a (toppled) dictator like Saddam.
What's the difference between stubborn and stupid? Stubborn is a mule, stupid is a jackass.
I thought Osama "started" this war, and when we couldn't find Osama, we went after the next big news maker.
I thought Osama "started" this war, and when we couldn't find Osama, we went after the next big news maker.
Well, we all know that 9/11 was allowed to happen by Bush and the Israelis. It wouldn't make a lick of sense to cluster bomb ourselves, and the Israelis tend to fight back (see David and Goliath for case study). Saddam was the next logical choice in a juicy target...how better to fatten Haliburton's stock?;-)
I thought Osama "started" this war, and when we couldn't find Osama, we went after the next big news maker.
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While I am no fan of Mr. Rove, I am a little bothered that we are openly discussing his place of residence here in Sowal.
Criticize his politics all you want but let's not endanger anyone's personal safety.
I know that was clearly not the intent of the posts but let's not forget that there are a lot of nuts out there............
Criticize his politics all you want but let's not endanger anyone's personal safety.
I know that was clearly not the intent of the posts but let's not forget that there are a lot of nuts out there............