IMUS! IMUS! IMUS! You have been a very bad boy!

[Paula]

:nono1: Maybe now you will have time to read The Lucifer Effect by Philip Zimbardo


Have a feeling a fight is brewing. :boxing:

Philip Zimbardo's research is stunning. I haven't read the Lucifer Effect (but I will order it) yet, but I know of his early studies (1960s-70s?) on dehumanization. Zimbardo became well-known for his studies of psychologically healthy (they took a psychological test) undergrad students who were doing an experiment in which they took the roles of prisoners and prison guards. Zimbardo had to call the study off because the students who took the roles of guards became so verbally and physically abusive to the students playing the roles of the prisoners. Name calling and dehumanization of the "prisoners" was part of what made it so easy for those regular student "guards" to physically abuse the "prisoners". Ironically, the experiment in the 1970s played out almost exactly like the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib. There's a classic slide show/video and I show it to all my students because they are or will become managers and it's useful for them to understand how easy it is for "good apples" to do bad things (or ignore other people doing bad things) and the importance of creating an environment of respect. And it's a slippery slope between how we talk about people and how we treat them and inspire others to treat them.

Zimbardo talks about whether it's "bad apples" (individuals who say/do unethical things) or "bad barrels (organizations/systems that encourage/enable unethical behavior). He argues that the "bad barrel" is more powerful than the "bad apple" when it comes to unethical/abusive behavior. So, when the organization fired Imus, they were trying to protect the "barrel" and the public image of the "barrel" by taking a stand on what language/behavior is and is not tolerated. Imus still has free speech, but it came with consequences. My guess is he said plenty of times "if they don't like what I say, they can fire me."

As I said on another thread, I think his apology was sincere, well-done, and the right thing to do.

I heard there's going to be a movie made about Zimbardo and his experiments. Sadly, the lessons are still valuable.

 

[John R]

Whatever happened, my friends, to decency, civility and class?

sadly, in the age of instant gratification, no remorse, entitlement, huge salaries, laughable fines and the like, they have gone by the wayside for many.

 

[Paula]

Nike put the following one page ad in the New York Times:

Thank you, ignorance.
Thank you for starting the conversation.
Thank you for making an entire nation listen to the Rutger's team story. And for making us wonder what other great stories we've missed.
Thank you for reminding us to think before we speak.
Thank you for showing us how strong and poised 18 and 20-year-old women can be.
Thank you for reminding us that another basketball tournament goes on in March.
Thank you for showing us that sport includes more than the time spent on the court.
Thank you for unintentionally moving women's sport forward.
And thank you for making all of us realize that we still have a long way to go.

 

[InletBchDweller]

nappy pleeze. intense racial plagues have only started to recede because of the hard work of many civil rights leaders and activists, including the Reverends. no, they are not perfect. yes, they are each very strong in their personalities and convictions. and yes, they have made a huge difference in the lives of African Americans. like them or not.

Imus doesn't even deserve a mention. He has done little for anyone as far as I know.

You should possiblt try to do a little research into the Ranch that don imus funds for indigent children with cancer. I will let you guess what race the majority of those children are.... and yes, you are right-- they are black. I have never been an Imus fan, to tell the truth I cant stand the man. I will say this though, I would like to see if the good reverands are going to fund this ranch with a large population of black children now that Imus has lost his large salary due to their efforts. To respond to anyone that thinks that Sharpton or Jackson has done anything to ease the race pain brought onto the black community frankly you are out of your mind. If people would keep up with the debate and the conversation that went on after Imus, particually the airwaves, they would hear that the true black leaders in this country have put down the reverands and have asked them to get out of the way.

 

[InletBchDweller]

amen to that;-)

Players spitting on umpires ... a basketball ref challenging an NBA player to fight ... rappers ... politicians who stop at nothing to discredit another ... a student shoots 32 classmates ... "F" The President bumper stickers ... Kid Rock ... Don Imus, a pathetic offender who apparently died years ago but never realized it ... "Please" and "Thank you" non-existent ... what next?

Whatever happened, my friends, to decency, civility and class?

 

[6thGen]

nappy pleeze. intense racial plagues have only started to recede because of the hard work of many civil rights leaders and activists, including the Reverends. no, they are not perfect. yes, they are each very strong in their personalities and convictions. and yes, they have made a huge difference in the lives of African Americans. like them or not.

Imus doesn't even deserve a mention. He has done little for anyone as far as I know.

Al and Jesse have done far more harm than good for black folks. Also, why is it ok to use the terms Hymie, white interlopers, Greek homos, and say you are sick and tired of hearing about the Holocaust? Both are race baiters, hypocrites and despicable human beings. And when did an off-color comment from a bitter, old, white liberal's radio show become as important as, oh, I don't know, voting or segregation?

 

[Teresa]

Al and Jesse have done far more harm than good for black folks. Also, why is it ok to use the terms Hymie, white interlopers, Greek homos, and say you are sick and tired of hearing about the Holocaust? Both are race baiters, hypocrites and despicable human beings. And when did an off-color comment from a bitter, old, white liberal's radio show become as important as, oh, I don't know, voting or segregation?

white americans seem to say this often. as if they have experienced first hand what its like to be african american in america. makes me wonder how they would know.

 

[6thGen]

white americans seem to say this often. as if they have experienced first hand what its like to be african american in america. makes me wonder how they would know.

"...like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson who have prospered greatly, and basked in the limelight, by leading other blacks into a blind alley of futile resentments and counterproductive self-dramatization."

http://www.tsowell.com/

I can find others if it only counts if black folks say it. Sowell just usually says it better than the rest.

 

[Teresa]

"...like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson who have prospered greatly, and basked in the limelight, by leading other blacks into a blind alley of futile resentments and counterproductive self-dramatization."

http://www.tsowell.com/

I can find others if it only counts if black folks say it. Sowell just usually says it better than the rest.

rush limbaugh's biggest fan... :roll:
thanks but no thanks.

 

[6thGen]

rush limbaugh's biggest fan... :roll:
thanks but no thanks.

This black man doesn't know what it's like to be a black man?