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Bob

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Nov 16, 2004
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Unless Pruis is the McDougals (hey to Coming to America) of Prius, then yes, Prius is a namebrand.

http://www.calcars.org/calcars-news/603.html

http://car-reviews.automobile.com/news/could-the-prius-be-toyota-039-s-next-brand/2883/

http://www.leftlanenews.com/prius-toyota-new-brand.html

I'm not criticizing you on liking name brands. That's capitalism at its finest. Hear, hear for name brands. I don't really know how you plan on polluting the environment 70% less, not including battery disposal. The Prius gets 46 miles to the gallon, 50 if you believe the manufacturer. If you want to pay the price that you won't recover over 10 years at $3/gallon to purchase a Prius over something like a Corrolla, which gets about 40 mpg, then super. That will make up for all the extra CO2 my Mosquito Magnet pumps into the atmosphere as it feeds on sweet, sweet yellow fly meat.
Your argument isn't totally valid because the Prius will have the higher resale value. The cost difference doesn't evaporate. The opportunity cost yes, the recapture scenario, no. If oil costs more going forward, it's a better deal. The Prius will get at least 50 percent better mileage than the Corolla in it's best driving environment which is the city. Still, you've got more mechanical complication, which I believe Toyota can handle better than GM or Ford. When did Prius become a namebrand?
 

Bob

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Hmmmm... lots to think about. We'll be getting a car most likely sometime within the next six months. I wondered about safety ratings and whether cars are rated against others their size. Sooooo, which car would be best for long drives from Michigan to SoWal in terms of safety/comfort (e.g., Accord, Civic, Prius, or other cars along those lines)? Our Honda minivan sure made the drive easy. But we don't need to pack lots of stuff anymore -- very happy with carry-ons. We drive long distances about 3-4 times a year.
Wait for the update of the Honda Accord. Or maybe the CRV. You'll lose about one half ton of car weight.
 

KansasBorn/30ABound

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Best car on the market at any pricepoint is currently the Civic. Ace body structure for the best in collision safety and 30/40 mileage rating in straight gas engine. The 4 door LX/ auto is a good buy at around 17.5k and resale is also the best. The wheelbase is almost 107 inches and gives a great ride. If you buy a hybrid be forewarned that your dealing with a much more complicated vehicle that will need expensive batteries eventually. The Civic has a good tax credit for the first 60k owners I believe.

I will speak to the Civic. I had a 2000 Honda Civic. In late 2004, I had a very serious frontal collision. Had no choice but to run into a completely stopped car in the center lane of a freeway during rush hour doing about 65 mph.

Luckily for me...the Honda Civic drops its engine down in these types of crashes....keeps it from coming back into the passenger compartment. Although I ended up with a right broken leg, crushed pelvis, and shattered left hip....I am alive to talk about it. I was extremely fortunate...and some of that was due to the Civic.
 

Paula

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Wait for the update of the Honda Accord. Or maybe the CRV. You'll lose about one half ton of car weight.

Thanks. What will the update on the Honda Accord be and when will that be (though I can't imagine getting a new car unless the safety difference is really significant because this is the car the teens will drive as well and insurance costs will matter). My main concerns will be safety and cost of insuring.
What's a CRV.
 

Paula

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I will speak to the Civic. I had a 2000 Honda Civic. In late 2004, I had a very serious frontal collision. Had no choice but to run into a completely stopped car in the center lane of a freeway during rush hour doing about 65 mph.

Luckily for me...the Honda Civic drops its engine down in these types of crashes....keeps it from coming back into the passenger compartment. Although I ended up with a right broken leg, crushed pelvis, and shattered left hip....I am alive to talk about it. I was extremely fortunate...and some of that was due to the Civic.


That's a great story, KansasBorn. Here's the question, SJ says the cars are rated for safety within their own category. How do you think the civic would do in a crash with a bigger car (midsize or large car)?

And you are indeed lucky to have come out of that kind of accident OK. It's a frightening story.

Chickpea, have I hijacked your thread in a bad way or is this discussion of other cars useful to you? We really will be looking at the Prius, too.
 

scooterbug44

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Ignore 6thGen, I think it's great that you are shopping for a more environmentally friendly car................so I wouldn't care if its seats are made by Versace and it's sponsored by Al G! Good gravy - wouldn't it be awful if it became "cool" to drive a car that pollutes less.

I've only heard great things about the Prius and the Toyota & Honda Hybrids and figure by the time I'm in the market for a new car the technology will have even more kinks worked out.
 
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6thGen

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Your argument isn't totally valid because the Prius will have the higher resale value. The cost difference doesn't evaporate. The opportunity cost yes, the recapture scenario, no. If oil costs more going forward, it's a better deal. The Prius will get at least 50 percent better mileage than the Corolla in it's best driving environment which is the city. Still, you've got more mechanical complication, which I believe Toyota can handle better than GM or Ford. When did Prius become a namebrand?

If Chickpea wants to immediately start saving money on gas, she has to spend more on a vehicle, no matter what she recoups later. It wouldn't be different than purchasing a $5,000 gas card when you buy a car unless you look at the car as an investment. Also, considering until a few years ago I had to drive 30 minutes to a decent grocery store, the city argument doesn't work for her since she lives in the "30-A Corridor". I'm not criticizing the car, I just know it's more of a status symbol than it is a great car, and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm guessing it became a namebrand out west sooner than it did here, but I first noticed it as a such when Larry David started driving one on Curb Your Enthusiasm, specifically when he was b*tching about having to wave to fellow Prius drivers.
 

6thGen

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Ignore 6thGen, I think it's great that you are shopping for a more environmentally friendly car................so I wouldn't care if its seats are made by Versace and it's sponsored by Al G! Good gravy - wouldn't it be awful if it became "cool" to drive a car that pollutes less.

I never said there was anything wrong with status symbols or name brands. If you take the time to read what I wrote before you said to ignore me (I honestly thought she had already hit that button), you'd see where I typed "Hear, hear for namebrands".
 

Mango

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Apr 7, 2006
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I will speak to the Civic. I had a 2000 Honda Civic. In late 2004, I had a very serious frontal collision. Had no choice but to run into a completely stopped car in the center lane of a freeway during rush hour doing about 65 mph.

Luckily for me...the Honda Civic drops its engine down in these types of crashes....keeps it from coming back into the passenger compartment. Although I ended up with a right broken leg, crushed pelvis, and shattered left hip....I am alive to talk about it. I was extremely fortunate...and some of that was due to the Civic.

Sorry about the accident KB. My sister owns a civic too and she was just hit where the gas nozzle is at about 40 mph. She got away with minor injuries, but the car was looked totalled. After arguing with insurance adjuster for the last 3 weeks, they decided to total the car but they were really trying to avoid paying because the car holds it value so well.
 

Smiling JOe

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Nov 18, 2004
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If Chickpea wants to immediately start saving money on gas, she has to spend more on a vehicle, no matter what she recoups later. It wouldn't be different than purchasing a $5,000 gas card when you buy a car unless you look at the car as an investment. Also, considering until a few years ago I had to drive 30 minutes to a decent grocery store, the city argument doesn't work for her since she lives in the "30-A Corridor". I'm not criticizing the car, I just know it's more of a status symbol than it is a great car, and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm guessing it became a namebrand out west sooner than it did here, but I first noticed it as a such when Larry David started driving one on Curb Your Enthusiasm, specifically when he was b*tching about having to wave to fellow Prius drivers.

Who said that Chickypea is looking to save money on gas? I don't think she said it. Maybe she is concerned with the amount of pollution her car gives off. Or, maybe she is concerned with running out of gas, as many people do, during an evacuation. Maybe she is concerned with reducing demand for gasoline.

I know of no one who looks at their Prius as a status symbol. Prius owners whom I know, buy them because they are concerned about the environment.

On another note, I can vouch the back seat of the Prius is plenty roomy. I don't feel that in the Civic, and the Mini, forget-about-it -- very cute car, but the grocery holder shouldn't be called a back seat.
 
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