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Smiling JOe

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Nov 18, 2004
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My point is that the state should not be allowed to forcefully take private land. No matter what the view.
In the case of the road and R/W, taking 1/4 Acre of my lot, the "public" took my land from constant public use over time. I hold the Deed to the property, so in effect, the State, nor County, actually took it. I'm not sure that the State would have to "take" the beach in order for the public to use it. Not my call.
 

6thGen

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Aug 22, 2005
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In the case of the road and R/W, taking 1/4 Acre of my lot, the "public" took my land from constant public use over time. I hold the Deed to the property, so in effect, the State, nor County, actually took it. I'm not sure that the State would have to "take" the beach in order for the public to use it. Not my call.

Could you set up a bonfire in the middle of the 1/4 acre?
 

Smiling JOe

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Nov 18, 2004
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Could you set up a bonfire in the middle of the 1/4 acre?
Why would I want to do that? I guess I could, but it would melt the asphalt and I'd probably get into trouble for having a fire during our current fire ban.

By the way, beach bonfires require permits. ;-)
 

Beachlover2

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Jun 17, 2005
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I am one of the two men the article is talking about and I want everone to know that these people are lying. I have never done anything but fish there and only twice. They are slandering my good name in order to give the perception of merit to their case against me. Look at the county records (Jeffrey Reed) I have no history of violence in fact I was a single father for many years why I have not had a speeding ticket since I was a teenager. I am being made into a criminal for fishing on the gulf beaches.

Jay

I copied the Destin Log story because I couldn't believe it myself. I think the story makes the Wrights look bad - not you and your friend. I walk this area quite frequently and I guess I just haven't been exposed to her wrath because I keep moving. Please keep fishing and enjoying the beaches that God gave all of us - not just a few.:D :D
 

Bobby J

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Apr 18, 2005
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I am one of the two men the article is talking about and I want everone to know that these people are lying. I have never done anything but fish there and only twice. They are slandering my good name in order to give the perception of merit to their case against me. Look at the county records (Jeffrey Reed) I have no history of violence in fact I was a single father for many years why I have not had a speeding ticket since I was a teenager. I am being made into a criminal for fishing on the gulf beaches.

Jay,
This beach access issue is really getting out of hand especially in the last year. Signs are everywhere and the county better get a handle on it. Once again we will be used as an example in Florida of how not to do something (see seawall section). I ask everyone to please get involved. This is just the beginning and we all have to start speaking up and let the county know we will continue to use our beaches! See www.surfrider.org for more info about the "private beaches". Please join and get involved.
 

jay

Beach Comber
Jun 27, 2007
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baker
Your right I think it makes them look bad as well but I come from a very conservative upbringing and it is hurtfull to see those kind of things said about me in public. I will stick to Walton county beaches and other areas until this gets better. Thanks for the support
 

jay

Beach Comber
Jun 27, 2007
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baker
Yes people need to get involved in this issue before it gets out of hand. Thanks for your support.
 

Smiling JOe

SoWal Expert
Nov 18, 2004
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From the State Attorney General's Office:

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The Tona-Rama (FL Supreme Court) case recognizes the common law principle of "customary use" by the public of Florida's dry sand beaches. The court held that if the public's recreational use of a privately owned sandy area adjacent to the mean high tide has been ancient, reasonable, without interruption, and free from dispute, such use, as a matter of custom, should not be interfered with by the owner. However, the owner is allowed to make any use of his property that is consistent with such public use and is not calculated to interfere with the exercise of the right of the public to enjoy the dry sandy area as a recreational adjunct of the wet sand or foreshore area, which is held by the state in trust for the people.[12]

...

While the court rejected a finding of a public easement in the property, it acknowledged the historical right of the public to use Florida's beaches:

"We recognize the propriety of protecting the public interest in, and right to utilization of, the beaches and oceans of the State of Florida. No part of Florida is more exclusively hers, nor more properly utilized by her people than her beaches. And the right of the public of access to, and enjoyment of, Florida's oceans and beaches has long been recognized by this Court."[14]

The court recognized the "customary rights doctrine" or "customary right of use doctrine" as it is employed to afford the public full use of beach property in Florida:

"If the recreational use of the sandy area adjacent to mean high tide has been ancient, reasonable, without interruption and free from dispute, such use, as a matter of custom, should not be interfered with by the owner. However, the owner may make any use of his property which is consistent with such public use and not calculated to interfere with exercise of the right of the public to enjoy the dry sand area as a recreational adjunct of the wet sand or foreshore area."

This right of customary use of the dry sand area of the beaches by the public does not create any interest in the land itself. Although this right of use cannot be revoked by the land owner, it is subject to appropriate governmental regulation and may be abandoned by the public.[15]

The court concluded:

"The general public may continue to use the dry sand area for their usual recreational activities, not because the public has any interest in the land itself, but because of a right gained through custom to use this particular area of the beach as they have without dispute and without interruption for many years."
[16]

In any particular case, however, whether this "customary right of use" exists in a particular piece of property is a mixed question of law and fact that must be resolved judicially. As the Fifth District Court of Appeal recently recognized in the case of Reynolds v. County of Volusia,[17] "[t]hat doctrine requires the courts to ascertain in each case the degree of customary and ancient use the beach has been subjected to and, in addition, to balance whether the proposed use of the land by the fee owners will interfere with such use enjoyed by the public in the past."[18]

The right of a municipality to regulate and control dry sand beach property within its municipal boundaries is not dependent on the finding of the Florida Supreme Court in City of Daytona Beach v. Tona-Rama, Inc. However, that case establishes the "customary use" doctrine in Florida, which may be relied on and would provide direction in cases involving private property rights and trespass.
 

jay

Beach Comber
Jun 27, 2007
20
0
baker
Check out the thread Taken Away In Handcuffs, this guy was criminally trespassed for being in the wet sand and spent half a day in jail.
 
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