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Smiling JOe

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Just poking around on Obama's website again. I find this one one laughable:

"Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes."
 

goofer

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GW Bush was the last candidate to win in Iowa, then go on to win the Presidency, but I think he was an exception to the rule in the past. (Of course, we don't live in the past, only the present.) I really doubt Huckabee can win the GOP, and I'm wondering if Obama can really beat Hillary. Looks like Edwards blew his wad (of cash) in Iowa and got hosed, and I don't think we will see him around for long. With Obama winning Iowa, I think we can expect to see the coffers getting stuffed quickly, and that may give him the force to continue to stay ahead of Hillary. It will be interesting to watch.

Fast forward, and lets say Sen Obama wins the Dem nomination, who is he choosing for VP?

Bill Richardson
Michael Bloomberg
John Kerry
Chuck Hagel.... a republican who is not running for re-election.

All experienced guys who bring something to the table that Obama will need. Kerry, Hagel and Richardson are all saavy foreign policy pros. Richardson, additionally, and Bloomberg are strong administrators. Kerry, who I really don't like, is a pro and the vice presidency could satisfy his enormous ego. All the above are shrewd political operatives wise to the ways of D.C.
 

seacrestkristi

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I don't know why I'm so :shock: ? :dunno:

Hillary's been trying to do something for US health care for over a decade. She helped millions of uninsured children in this country with her SCHIPS program. I just feel she has worked the hardest, the longest and is as smart if not smarter than any of the men running. She deserves a chance.

Obama's speech sounded like a 60's civil rights speech to me too. :dunno:

Warren Buffet endorses and contributes to Hillary.
 
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Mango

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Apr 7, 2006
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Just poking around on Obama's website again. I find this one one laughable:

"Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes."

Why laughable SJ? I've seen many a tax return in my business. A W2 wage earning family with a home and a couple of dependents is an easy return once you punch in your earnings, home figures, and # of dependents into a computer program. :dunno: Although, it's not going to be the idea of the decade that is going to send me racing to the polls, but I think he was trying to include in that section how he would like to simplify life/gov't in general. I did read that page.

As far as Veep, I have no suggestions as of yet.
 
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John R

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I was thinking today how interesting it would be to see all the candidates' IQ scores. I even searched it online with no luck. There was a time I'd gotten so fed up with W that I said I'd vote for the next president based on intelligence alone, but there are a lot of people out there who use their superpowers for evil. :shock:

Am I mistaken to think that most people don't take an IQ test after about the 8th grade...?:dunno:

Interesting point peapod. There's got to be some statistics guy(s) wracking up points on charts in all the camps, but probably not including the IQ of their own candidate. I'm sure, if not today, someday, the IQ, electoral votes, $ spent, popular votes, color of suit worn, children in attendance, pets in attendance, Chuck Norris in attendance:dunno: will all be mashed together to see if worked(or didn't) great job for a baseball fan.

NoHall, doesn't IQ settle in for the duration around the 7th or 8th grade? I'm sure it can move around a few points based on something(s):dunno: though, but not too much.
 

TooFarTampa

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Quit listening to the speeches (which are never a good look at the whole picture of anybody) and go to his website and read the issues section. He has a plan for many things, but like any other candidate, he knows how he wants things to be, how he would make the changes, but would Congress help enact the changes in the the way he envisioned? I don't think ANY candidate has that kind of magic powers. I have to look at the candidates who at least have a shot in hell of making some improvements, and Obama is one of those candidates.

I have studied a few candidates websites this week, and they are very educational. Speeches and sound bytes only give you about 1/16th of the picture.

I was going to reply to 6thgen's prodding with something similar to the above. I have read a lot (but not all) of Obama's platform, and I wish he were a little more centrist to be sure. But the presidency requires leadership and judgment. There is something electric about him, and I do believe he would use his obvious intelligence for good not evil. :roll: Who he would surround himself with is an obvious and important question.

I think Hillary on paper is the most logical candidate (next to McCain, though on paper McCain is also too old), and she has been a very effective senator by all accounts. But despite her centrist views, I frankly don't trust her -- which is disappointing, because I would like to want to vote for her. If that makes any sense.

What's interesting is that while Obama is highly intelligent, he is not intimidating or unapproachable. Al Gore was such a policy wonk that he just could not compete with W's easy manner. We all know where that got us. Kerry is wonkish too but obviously had other problems running his campaign. Obama is not only intelligent but has that gift of connecting with people, which I suppose is the main reason I consider him "exciting and fascinating."

Mangy, what are your feelings about the suggestion of Bloomberg? I know any of my NY friends would shudder at the suggestion.

Excellent question pea. Newsweek had a cover story on him about 6 weeks ago that made a compelling case for him as an independent candidate. It was written if I recall by editor Jon Meacham though, and while I have loved Meacham's reporting on religion (and keep meaning to get his book), I'm not sure I like the tone of the magazine as much since he took over. I felt like he was trying to set the agenda, instead of just providing the analysis that I look forward to.
 

peapod1980

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Excellent question pea. Newsweek had a cover story on him about 6 weeks ago that made a compelling case for him as an independent candidate. It was written if I recall by editor Jon Meacham though, and while I have loved Meacham's reporting on religion (and keep meaning to get his book), I'm not sure I like the tone of the magazine as much since he took over. I felt like he was trying to set the agenda, instead of just providing the analysis that I look forward to.
TFT, I recently saw Meacham on TV and was struck by how much he seemed like a potential presidential candidate!
 

seacrestkristi

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I was going to reply to 6thgen's prodding with something similar to the above. I have read a lot (but not all) of Obama's platform, and I wish he were a little more centrist to be sure. But the presidency requires leadership and judgment. There is something electric about him, and I do believe he would use his obvious intelligence for good not evil. :roll: Who he would surround himself with is an obvious and important question.

I think Hillary on paper is the most logical candidate (next to McCain, though on paper McCain is also too old), and she has been a very effective senator by all accounts. But despite her centrist views, I frankly don't trust her -- which is disappointing, because I would like to want to vote for her. If that makes any sense.

What's interesting is that while Obama is highly intelligent, he is not intimidating or unapproachable. Al Gore was such a policy wonk that he just could not compete with W's easy manner. We all know where that got us. Kerry is wonkish too but obviously had other problems running his campaign. Obama is not only intelligent but has that gift of connecting with people, which I suppose is the main reason I consider him "exciting and fascinating."



Excellent question pea. Newsweek had a cover story on him about 6 weeks ago that made a compelling case for him as an independent candidate. It was written if I recall by editor Jon Meacham though, and while I have loved Meacham's reporting on religion (and keep meaning to get his book), I'm not sure I like the tone of the magazine as much since he took over. I felt like he was trying to set the agenda, instead of just providing the analysis that I look forward to.

Just a guess but maybe your mistrust is from all the negative Hillary campaigns going on out there. She is such an easy target. I think I will volunteer to do some work for her. :love: I think a lot of folks are afraid to support Hillary because from personal experience it does turn a lot of people against you. Yes, just for endorsing Hillary, and not accepting their constant put downs of her. IJS....it's creepy. :eek:
 
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NoHall

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NoHall, doesn't IQ settle in for the duration around the 7th or 8th grade? I'm sure it can move around a few points based on something(s):dunno: though, but not too much.


A quick Google search says that your IQ levels off around the age of 16; I know that when we were kids, we were tested in the 4th, 6th and 8th grades.

(But I've worked/lived in a couple of places where I could just feel IQ points draining out of my head since then...)
 
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