Is Obama a wolf in sheep's clothing ?

[Geo]

So in Pa. the Catholic vote went to Clinton 71% to 29% for Obama.
That my friends is the Tsunami that I have been predicting with this thread.
Given the fact that there are more than 60 million Catholics in the country I think you'll agree that this doesn't bode well for the Dems.
I'm thinking that Obama will have a very poor showing in Nov. and take the ticket down with him.
Mitt will run in 2012 and again in 2016 so that gives you donkeys till 2020 to figure out a better way to select a candidate.
I would suggest doing away with caucuses which skew the result to the radical wing.

Without verifying the numbers- I agree that your prediction on where the catholic vote would go in PA rang true. I'm just not convinced that it will amount to a wave- let alone a "tsuanami"...

What percentage of total voters are catholic? I would venture to guess that this is a minority relative to the numbers associated with other key demographics in this race (e.g. gender, race, age, etc.)

I don't know the data to say for sure. But hypothetically, let's say that the percentage of the total voters who are catholics is relatively small. Now let's say that most of them are of a higher age bracket. My understanding is that it is known that folks in the higher age brackets would not have voted for Obama anyway. So there was no damage done by catholics on top of what was already done based on the age demographic...

Set me straight.

BTW- it is nice to see some unemotional discourse and debate lately. As such, I am reengaged in the political threads...

Cheers, GW

 

[30A Skunkape]

I'm thinking this fall I will say four Hail Marys, ten Our Fathers and pull the lever for Obama

 

[Furthur]

One in four Americans is Catholic.
Call it what you will, 72 to 28 is very,very lopsided.
And these are democratic voters. Imagine what the margin will be when the Republican Catholics have their say.
You don't have to be a Karl Rove caliber genius to read the message of disgust in these numbers.
The more voters know about the Novice Senator with the lofty but empty rhetoric, the less they like him. Barack's honest off the cuff remarks in S.F. spoke clearly what he really thinks.
How could people not be outraged and take offense?

It's not like the Dem's don't have good qualified people to be C.in C.
They just can't get through the nominating process.

Hello rules committee
Attn: Mr. H. Dean
You need to find central ground..

 

[Geo]

One in four Americans is Catholic.
Call it what you will, 72 to 28 is very,very lopsided.
And these are democratic voters. Imagine what the margin will be when the Republican Catholics have their say.
You don't have to be a Karl Rove caliber genius to read the message of disgust in these numbers.
The more voters know about the Novice Senator with the lofty but empty rhetoric, the less they like him. Barack's honest off the cuff remarks in S.F. spoke clearly what he really thinks.
How could people not be outraged and take offense?

It's not like the Dem's don't have good qualified people to be C.in C.
They just can't get through the nominating process.

Hello rules committee
Attn: Mr. H. Dean
You need to find central ground..

Can you please cite your sources on the number of Catholics there are in this country. In addition, pls provide a breakdown of how many of them vote/voted, how many of them are Republican vs. Democrats and what their age ranges are.

If most of them are older and Republican then I would venture to guess that this would not affect Obama and this election anymore than any other election...

78-21 is only compelling if we know the underlying numbers...

78% of not very many is-

not much...


I have these kinds of conversations with my (very Catholic) grandmother all the time...

The questions I ask her all the time are-
If the Catholic vote is so important then why have we only had one Catholic president? And if there are so many Catholics on this country, why don't we have more Catholic candidates to vote for???

Your turn. Cheers, GW

 

[Rita]

I don't know the stats but here is one over 50, white, Catholic female(should be a Clinton supporter right?:roll that is an Obama supporter and the more I learn the more I like.

Several Catholic members of this family are Obama supporters too. Not all of our extended family "talk politics" so can't get full data on us. Ha! All rather irrelevant without correct stats.


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[30A Skunkape]

And might I add that the two Catholic Senators that I am aware of (Kennedy and Landrieu) are both legal abortion proponents...not very Catholic if you ask me-or the Pope. Being a 'Catholic' guarantees nothing in the voting booth.

 

[Bob]

Apparently you didn't see that stupid Newsweek cover story about him being called Barry vs. Barack :roll:

You can quibble about the Reverend, his comments, out of context and "spun" sound bites, and church membership stats all you want, but Obama was drawn to the area's largest church by a charismatic leader who has done a great deal of good for a severely blighted neighborhood. I don't think people unfamiliar with the area realize what that neighborhood was like and how much it has drastically improved in the years since Obama joined that church.

Chavez feeds the poor in his country as well.

 

[Smiling JOe]

Rev Wright is really making Obama look bad with some of his recent speeches I'm hearing.

 

[seagrovegirl]

I am no longer leaning toward Obama when I vote because of Obama's weak response to Rev. Wright's comments. It scares me that he has been a member of Wright's church for 20 years, Wright married the Obama's and christened their two children. It appears that his church teaches hate and dissent, towards whites and OUR country...among other things that he has said that is horrendous. .....and all Obama has said is "I have distanced myself from Rev. Wright." I think WE deserve a decisive and strong response from Obama.

 

[Geo]

I am no longer leaning toward Obama when I vote because of Obama's weak response to Rev. Wright's comments. It scares me that he has been a member of Wright's church for 20 years, Wright married the Obama's and christened their two children. It appears that his church teaches hate and dissent, towards whites and OUR country...among other things that he has said that is horrendous. .....and all Obama has said is "I have distanced myself from Rev. Wright." I think WE deserve a decisive and strong response from Obama.

I am really bummed that this is looming over the head of what I believe to be an exceptional candidate for president. I worry that this will sink his ship- this whole thing is unfortunate...

I personally don't see it as an issue. I don't care where Obama went to church anymore than I care where McCain or Clinton went to church and see this as being irrelevant to my voting preference...

My grandmother pressed me on this issue. So I presented her with an analogy that she didn't take well. Hopefully you guys won't flame me for it but nonetheless- here it comes...

When I was a kid I went to Catholic summer camp. More than one priest was molesting boys. It seemed everyone knew about it but no one would do anything about it. Parishoners knew. Administrators knew. Parents knew. The media even ignored it then. The priests were above the law and untouchable. After many years and many victim's lives ruined (some of these kids were my friends) the offenders were transferred to other parishes. The worst part is they molested again...

Many years ago it came to light that the Diocese knew. It came to light that the Vatican knew. It is truth that the current Pope knew and wrote a letter back then instructing the regional Dioceses to hide these offenses...

I know it is a stretch but-

If there was a Catholic candidate who continued to attend these churches, to bow to these priests and the pope for many years despite knowing how widespread the offenses and the coverup and how high it went-

should I not vote for this person because of the sins of their religious leaders???

For me the answer is- Nope. While it is a tragedy and does call into question judgement (sound familiar)- I would find it irrelevant as to what kind of job they would do in Washington. And I wouldn't want it all over the news...

2 cents...

Set me straight...