Palin

[Bob]

What the heck does that mean? I think I've made good points here. If your only rebuttle is a personal attack, I think I've won the arguement.

no that's a straight up question. it let's me see where you're coming from.....if you've been there. anyone having kids takes on a lengthy commitment, and as we all know, the mother is the major element in the nurturing of a young child. if you've experienced that 24/7, i doubt you'd make that statement. her actions now look totally counter to her message. if you are the governor of a state with a newborn, or are running for vp, family will have to take a back seat.

 

[Smiling JOe]

Get your tomatoes ready, but I have to agree with organicmomma about the motherhood thing. Those who think it's great to go back to work 3-5 days after giving birth, have you had children? Babies require round the clock care. They nurse every couple of hours. They NEED THEIR MOTHERS. Who is doing this while mom's at the office? Yeah, I know, not every mom breast feeds, but feeding time is bonding time. I cherish every moment I have with my son - still - and he's nearly 15 years old. There is NO WAY I would abandon him for my ambitions, no matter how lofty the perceived goal.

And SJ I'm sorry, but the world your 13-year-old grandmother lived in bears little resemblance to our present one in many ways. Many people married and raised families in their teens then. Not such a great idea now.

And finally, Palin as his pick does say much about McCain's judgment. And none of it positive.

Miss Critter, in the past, many people, mostly men, said that a woman didn't belong in the White House, because they might have a baby while in office and couldn't carry out her duties. No one said that going to work 3 days after giving birth was a good way to mother a child. What I said was it is great that she proved the nay-sayers wrong. A woman can handle it. As for your question of who was taking care of the baby, it was her husband. He's a Mr Mom.

 

[Teresa]

This is an exellent op ed by David Brooks - it is worth reading because it summarizes why so many people are uncomfortable with McCain having selected Palin as his VP.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/opinion/02brooks.html?hp

John McCain is not a normal conservative. He has instincts, but few abstract convictions about the proper size of government. He?s a traditionalist, but is not energized by the social conservative agenda. As Rush Limbaugh understands, but the Democrats apparently do not, a McCain administration would not be like a Bush administration.
The main axis in McCain?s worldview is not left-right. It?s public service versus narrow self-interest. Throughout his career, he has been drawn to those crusades that enabled him to launch frontal attacks on the concentrated powers of selfishness ? whether it was the big money donors who exploited the loose campaign finance system, the earmark specialists in Congress like Alaska?s Don Young and Ted Stevens, the corrupt Pentagon contractors or Jack Abramoff.

thanks for this chickpea. the writer focuses on the real reasons palin is not the right pick for vp. nothing to do with female, babies, pregnant teens.

I can't say I'm disappointed in his pick though. to me, it is just further validation that mccain is not the right choice for president.

 

[Teresa]

Tootsie, in the past, many people, mostly men, said that a woman didn't belong in the White House, because they might have a baby while in office and couldn't carry out her duties. No one said that going to work 3 days after giving birth was a good way to mother a child. What I said was it is great that she proved the nay-sayers wrong. A woman can handle it. As for your question of who was taking care of the baby, it was her husband. He's a Mr Mom.

I think you meant Miss Critter.

of course a woman can handle it.. I admire her family and her ability to juggle all. I could never do such. but some women surely can.

 

[Miss Critter]

Tootsie, in the past, many people, mostly men, said that a woman didn't belong in the White House, because they might have a baby while in office and couldn't carry out her duties. No one said that going to work 3 days after giving birth was a good way to mother a child. What I said was it is great that she proved the nay-sayers wrong. A woman can handle it. As for your question of who was taking care of the baby, it was her husband. He's a Mr Mom.

From wikipedia:

Palin is a union member belonging to the United Steel, Paper and Forestry, Rubber, Manufacturing, Energy, Allied Industrial and Service Workers International Union (United Steelworkers).[10] For 18 years, he worked for BP Oil in the North Slope oil fields of Alaska. In 2007, in order to avoid a conflict of interest, he took a leave[11] from his job as production supervisor when his employer became involved in natural gas pipeline negotiations with his wife's administration.[3] Seven months later, because the family needed more income, Todd returned to BP, and again in order to avoid potential conflict of interest he accepted a non-management position as a production operator.[11] [12] He is also a commercial salmon fisherman at Bristol Bay on the Nushugak River.[3] Financial statements filed in 2007 state that Palin earned $46,000 from his fishing business and $46,790 from BP

Sorry, sounds to me like he already has a full-time job, and it ain't as Mr. Mom.

 

[scooterbug44]

Tootsie, in the past, many people, mostly men, said that a woman didn't belong in the White House, because they might have a baby while in office and couldn't carry out her duties. No one said that going to work 3 days after giving birth was a good way to mother a child. What I said was it is great that she proved the nay-sayers wrong. A woman can handle it. As for your question of who was taking care of the baby, it was her husband. He's a Mr Mom.

Those are the same bat-turds-for-brains who think a woman can't be president because she'll have a bout of PMS and nuke Russia. :roll:

Per Mama Scooterbug, it takes two people to make a baby because raising a baby/kid is too much work for just one person.

Aside from pregnancy and breast feeding, dads are just as responsible/capable as moms are in caring for their kids.

 

[goofer]

What proof do you have of any of these claims? Can you give some details? I've gone over her profile and I fail to see a lack of experience.

Also, FYI, you do a disservice to your candidate of choice by stating someone without a lot of insider Washington experience isn't qualified to hold the V.P. slot, or the position of President.

I don't want to reiterate what has already been posted and what has been written in the major newspapers about her lack of qualifications to be the VP of the United States. BTW, McCain is not my candidate of choice now. I will need to wait and observe what happens in the next 60 days. He was my choice but after this boneheaded pick I have to question his judgement. Picking Palin was clearly a political choice and was a diservice to the interests of the population at large, imho. If McCain is elected, I pray he remains in good health as I am sure we all do.

 

[30ashopper]

thanks for this chickpea. the writer focuses on the real reasons palin is not the right pick for vp. nothing to do with female, babies, pregnant teens.

I can't say I'm disappointed in his pick though. to me, it is just further validation that mccain is not the right choice for president.

So my worries about Palin are not (primarily) about her lack of experience. She seems like a marvelous person. She is a dazzling political performer. And she has experienced more of typical American life than either McCain or his opponent. On Monday, an ugly feeding frenzy surrounded her daughter?s pregnancy. But most Americans will understand that this is what happens in real life, that parents and congregations nurture young parents through this sort of thing every day.

My worry about Palin is that she shares McCain?s primary weakness ? that she has a tendency to substitute a moral philosophy for a political philosophy.

Thank you David Brooks - the first article on Palin I've read where the author is on topic, talking about policies and political philosophy instead of railing on Palin for being a bad mother. I hope the rest of the country follows his lead.

 

[Alicia Leonard]

no that's a straight up question. it let's me see where you're coming from.....if you've been there. anyone having kids takes on a lengthy commitment, and as we all know, the mother is the major element in the nurturing of a young child. if you've experienced that 24/7, i doubt you'd make that statement. her actions now look totally counter to her message. if you are the governor of a state with a newborn, or are running for vp, family will have to take a back seat.

Bob, if I understand you correctly and believe me, I identify with you since, I love Diet Dew too, Women can't be moms and political leaders? Fathers in my research as a social worker (Worked with new parents to help them avoid the potential for abuse) and nurse(Labor and Delivery), can be just as nurturing as a mother. Interaction and love are what counts, not the parents sex. I met a few dads that set a very high standard compared to some females.

I would finish this post but I have to go out back and beat laundry on a rock before hubby gets in from the fields, demanding his lunch and takes the stick to me.:shock:

 

[Miss Kitty]

NEVER underestimate the importance of fathers to their children...NEVER!