Sarah Palin, Creationist???

[Alicia Leonard]

Maybe we should all just pray, during our free time, that the kids don't get pregnant

 

[NoHall]

If someone insists on teaching theology/creationism in Science class, they shouldn't be teaching at a public school (or that class).

Likewise people who want to pray during the school day can do it privately/on their own time, not impose THEIR beliefs on everyone and take time out of the already short school day.

There is plenty of time in the day/week for you to teach your personal beliefs to your kids w/o messing w/ everyone's education!

Everyone is obviously entitled to their own opinions and religions, but they are NOT entitled to impose those beliefs on others or limit a public school's instruction because of their personal religious beliefs.

A little tolerance and common sense goes along way. Your kids aren't going to convert because of a Social Studies lesson about World Religions or *gasp* critical thinking, but we are going to continue to lag behind other countries when we spend so much of a school's time and energy appeasing religious zealots and teaching religious ideas in science class.

Devil's advocate chiming in again: Inevitably, some kid (usually bent on derailing class) will pipe up with: "Didn't God create the earth? What about that?" Is it not ridiculous to dispute that yes, some groups of people believe that...and then steer back to the lesson at hand? I would be tempted, if I were a science teacher, to talk about the turtle who carried the world on his back to discuss why some civilizations would come to that "scientific" conclusion. I would be tempted to talk about what sort of rain event would be required to flood the earth. Why was it so hard for Galileo to convince folks that the world was round? At that point, it becomes easier to talk about factual evidence, it seems.

Just sayin.

Maybe we should all just pray, during our free time, that the kids don't get pregnant

Among other things!

 

[greenroomsurfer]

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[LuciferSam]

It seems that this thread's "prayer" and that other thread's "sex ed" are interchangeable terms according to one's political bent. Prayer in school for one side with no sex-ed, sex- ed in school for the other side with no prayer. Maybe find a religion in which making the sexo, regardless of marriage status, glorifies God and then kids and grownups can pray in the library, cafeteria, bathroom, principal's office, stairwell, gym, locker room, shower (you get the idea) 2 or 3 times a day as their stamina, modesty, and class schedule allow.

Where in the name of Bob Dobbs did you ever get such an idea?;-)

 

[scooterbug44]

Devil's advocate chiming in again: Inevitably, some kid (usually bent on derailing class) will pipe up with: "Didn't God create the earth? What about that?" Is it not ridiculous to dispute that yes, some groups of people believe that...and then steer back to the lesson at hand? I would be tempted, if I were a science teacher, to talk about the turtle who carried the world on his back to discuss why some civilizations would come to that "scientific" conclusion. I would be tempted to talk about what sort of rain event would be required to flood the earth. Why was it so hard for Galileo to convince folks that the world was round? At that point, it becomes easier to talk about factual evidence, it seems.

Big difference between a teacher insisting on teaching creationism as a major part of the curriculum in a public school and Johnny B. Disruptin trying to bring God into the discussion to avoid learning. :roll:

A classmate once tried to bring the yumminess of Roscoe's chicken and waffles into every discussion in Econ class - doesn't mean we were taught about Roscoe's flavor combos, but that the teacher gave it the time/attention it deserved and swiftly brought the discussion back on track.

 

[NoHall]

Big difference between a teacher insisting on teaching creationism as a major part of the curriculum in a public school and Johnny B. Disruptin trying to bring God into the discussion to avoid learning. :roll:

A classmate once tried to bring the yumminess of Roscoe's chicken and waffles into every discussion in Econ class - doesn't mean we were taught about Roscoe's flavor combos, but that the teacher gave it the time/attention it deserved and swiftly brought the discussion back on track.

But do you say that the other theories (other than chicken, that is,) when questioned by a student, should be categorically shot down? As a student, I tended to remember things better if I knew why they worked or didn't work.

 

[Bob]

No where have I said that we should be teaching religion in schools. But why is it that tolerance includes everything but religion? If students have free time, and are not interfering with the educational process, and want to pray, what is the problem? We have Youth for Christ groups meeting in the schools now. And if the Wiccans want to put together a group, I do not see a problem with it. Freedom is an interesting thing.

But to make my position clear, I am FOR allowing voluntary student led prayer in schools. I am FOR allowing voluntary student led prayer at sporting events, and if you read the paper, you know that I feel if someone wants to put on a Christmas program and sing about Jesus. More power to them, after all it is Christmas.

Vote for me or not, that is how I feel. At least I am willing to stand for what I believe instead of avoiding the question.

You are a perfect example of a Christian, some would say a minority group, who cannot leave others alone. Imagine for a moment folks worshiping in church, and feeling satisfied to keep their religion out of public venues. Sounds reasonable and lawful don't you think? ... Is not the act of praying a religious activity?......To answer your question about tolerance, look to the constitution, for it's framers knew any state that allowed no religion, or had a dominant state religion was the greatest evil to be avoided. I remember, as a teenager, being harrassed by evangelicals who tried to witness to others, at lunch, waiting for the bus, handing out religious quotes and pamphlets in the library etc. It was unlawful, but was once "tolerated". Just as blacks were stiff armed from voting. Your ideals sir, are a throwback to a period in America where freedom and justice were for the select crowd......I am thankful to be an American who is free to call you out on very un-American behavior.

 

[Miss Kitty]

Can anyone tell me what happened to the separation of church and state? I really need to learn some skillz.

 

[Jdarg]

Here is my burning question for the evening. I chewed on this while taking an otherwise enjoyable walk at sunset.

In 2008, is it possible to be a committed Republican and not be a Christian?

By "committed" Republican, I mean a staunch supporter of the party platforms as they are laid out today, 2008. With the GOP placing such a heavy emphasis on Christian ideals, how is it possible to be a Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, or even a Mormon Republican? (I threw Mormon in there because the Christian Right kept screaming that Mormons weren't "real" Christians when Romney was still in the running for nominee.)

Can we say that the GOP is the party of Christians?

I am racking my brain trying to think if I know any Republicans that aren't Christian. I can't think of a one.

 

[GoodWitch58]

We have Youth for Christ groups meeting in the schools now.

Are you serious? Do they receive tax money for this? Time away from educational programs?

Whatever is the purpose of this? What faculty member is involved? What authority does this operate under?

Is any religious group allowed to use school facilities for a meeting place? Are these groups in all Walton County schools?