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LuciferSam

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Just the fact that she desribes creationism and evolution as being different sides of the same subject professes profound ignorance. Read on if you can stomach it...:sick::puke:

[EDIT]Just for the record, I do think she's hot. Smileys cannot express my feelings.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/2008/08/sarah_palin_on.html

Sarah Palin on faith, life and creation


John McCain's vice-presidential pick, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is an evangelical Protestant with a strong record of opposition to abortion and an openness to teaching creationism in the public schools.

Palin is the mother of five children, one of whom was born with Down Syndrome. She learned that her son had Down Syndrome when she was four months pregnant, and she told the Associated Press in May that she never considered ending the pregnancy. "We've both been very vocal about being pro-life," she said in the AP interview. "We understand that every innocent life has wonderful potential." Palin also said of her son, whose name is Trig Paxon Van Palin, "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection. Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?"

In October of 2006, the Anchorage Daily News described Palin's positions on social issues in a lengthy profile:

"A significant part of Palin's base of support lies among social and Christian conservatives. Her positions on social issues emerged slowly during the campaign: on abortion (should be banned for anything other than saving the life of the mother), stem cell research (opposed), physician-assisted suicide (opposed), creationism (should be discussed in schools), state health benefits for same-sex partners (opposed, and supports a constitutional amendment to bar them)."And earlier that year, the Anchorage Daily News reported that Palin said the following about creationism at a debate:

"Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information....Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject -- creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides."Palin identifies herself as a Christian; she headed her high school's Fellowship of Christian Athletes. Here's a bit more detail on her faith life from the Anchorage Daily News:

"Palin's parents say they are not political and don't know how she decided to turn her ambition and work ethic toward politics. Her Christian faith, they say, came from her mother, who took her children to area Bible churches as they were growing up (Sarah is the third of four siblings). They say her faith has been steady since high school, when she led the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and grew stronger as she sought out believers in her college years. Palin doesn't brandish her religion on the campaign trail, but that doesn't prevent others from doing so. After she was first elected mayor, her predecessor, John Stein, objected that a Valley cable TV program had hailed her as Wasilla's first 'Christian mayor.' In a column for the local newspaper, he named eight previous mayors and added that he, too, was a Christian, despite a name that led some voters to suspect 'I must be a non-Christian, have non-Christian blood or at least have sympathized with a non-Christian sometime in my career.'"
 
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LuciferSam

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Honestly, I don't see what's so harmful or offensive about her position on allowing information from varying viewpoints.

For me it's the idea that she considers evolution and creationism to be of the same discipline. Evolution is a science, which like all sciences, is based on evidence and is falsifiable. Creationism at best belongs in a philosphy class. There is no evidence, and it rests purely on faith. There would be no way to unhinge it and prove it wrong, but that offers nothing in favor of its validity. It does not belong in a science class along side evolution. After eight years of anti-science under Bush, I don't see things getting better under another Republican BS administration in this regard.
 

30ashopper

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Right here!
For me it's the idea that she considers evolution and creationism to be of the same discipline. Evolution is a science, which like all sciences, is based on evidence and is falsifiable. Creationism at best belongs in a philosphy class. There is no evidence, and it rests purely on faith. There would be no way to unhinge it and prove it wrong, but that offers nothing in favor of its validity. It does not belong in a science class along side evolution. After eight years of anti-science under Bush, I don't see things getting better under another Republican BS administration in this regard.

Go back and read what she's saying. You're jumping to conclusions. I agree with you on creationism vs. science, but you are reading into this, way way way too much. Your politiks are showing my friend.
 

steele mama

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For me it's the idea that she considers evolution and creationism to be of the same discipline. Evolution is a science, which like all sciences, is based on evidence and is falsifiable. Creationism at best belongs in a philosphy class. There is no evidence, and it rests purely on faith. There would be no way to unhinge it and prove it wrong, but that offers nothing in favor of its validity. It does not belong in a science class along side evolution. After eight years of anti-science under Bush, I don't see things getting better under another Republican BS administration in this regard.
Creationism is backed by scientific data and I think it is a great idea to teach them both. You can read more on another thread of the same subject.
 

30A Skunkape

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For me it's the idea that she considers evolution and creationism to be of the same discipline. Evolution is a science, which like all sciences, is based on evidence and is falsifiable. Creationism at best belongs in a philosphy class. There is no evidence, and it rests purely on faith. There would be no way to unhinge it and prove it wrong, but that offers nothing in favor of its validity. It does not belong in a science class along side evolution. After eight years of anti-science under Bush, I don't see things getting better under another Republican BS administration in this regard.

What? We all look like Jesus, don't we, and we were made in his image. The Bible and Shroud of Turin tell us so.:wave:
 

Jim Tucker

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Finally!!! Thank you John McCain for finally making my decision clear as a bell.

No way no how will I ever vote for someone who wants religion taught as a science. Even if you fully believe in a god as I do, it's unbelievable to me that we could have people in the white house who don't understand the scientific process. Oh - wait! :bang: W. Arrrgh!

Point 2 - No way he would have picked her if she was the male governor of Alaska. Who ever heard of her outside Alaska?

JM just confirmed to me that he is the wrong man for the job.
 

Jdarg

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Here is my problem with creationism (or ID, which was the re-brand to try and get it in schools)--

Our public schools are not just for Christian children and families- they are for all families, which I know just chaps the a$$ of so many people, but our country is truly a melting pot. Creationism is a Christian concept first, which has pulled some science into it. I have no problem with all the different views of how the universe began being taught in religion or philosophy classes at the high school level, but not in regular science classes.

To me, religion is a private personal thing- taught at home and in church, or in a religious school setting if parents choose that route. Why isn't that enough? Why do some Christians think that Christianity (and usually a narrow view of Christianity) has to pervade every public aspect of life? Why do people "advertise" their Christianity on t-shirts, cars, etc.?? The message that sends me is one of "I am more Christian than you , so there!" Sorry...straying off topic..

Signed, a Christian who is trying to understand

PS- what is taught in Sunday school these days anyway? When I was growing up, Sunday school was considered the Christian ed for the week.
 
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Miss Kitty

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Or, if you are lucky like me, you could send your child to a certain Episcopal school in Dallas, where one required class was Religions of the World. My son has vast knowledge and understanding of religions and luckily for me has taught me a thing or two. BTW...said school has a large Jewish population and all we have all learned from them and vice versa.

What is the concern of teaching theories? :dunno:

Sorry jdarg, I have reread your post and thank you for your views.
 
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