Disconnect....regarding the republican ticket

[GoodWitch58]

This is very interesting. Last night the VP nominee denigrated community organizers and Senator Obama and the people he helped in Chicago.

Tonight, John McCain asks the party and the country to go out and "feed a hungry child, teach an illererate person to read, get involved to make a difference."

The very things that community organizers do, and are so effective at!

McCain separated himself from the Republican administration of Bush; and brought Palin in as the heiress to the Bush idealogy....No wonder it is hard to explain/put into words what there is to like about this team.


Gives a new definition to the term "split ticket"

 

[Camp Creek Kid]

This is very interesting. Last night the VP nominee denigrated community organizers and Senator Obama and the people he helped in Chicago.

Tonight, John McCain asks the party and the country to go out and "feed a hungry child, teach an illererate person to read, get involved to make a difference."

The very things that community organizers do, and are so effective at!

McCain separated himself from the Republican administration of Bush; and brought Palin in as the heiress to the Bush idealogy....No wonder it is hard to explain/put into words what there is to like about this team.


Gives a new definition to the term "split ticket"

As you know, Palin was criticizing Obama about his "community organizer" because he gave that as an example of his executive experience which qualifies him to be President. He also said that he had more executive experience than Palin who is a sitting Governor. Obama's campaign denigrates Palin's experience as a mayor of a small town and conveniently never mentions that she is a sitting Governor. If Obama dishes it out, he has to take it. She was not denigrating "community organizers," whatever that it is. It is obviously a made up term and Obama is getting desperate. She was only pointing out that community organizer experience is not as pertinent as the real executive experience that she has. Palin has plenty of "community organizer" experience if you want to count city council and PTA because that is pretty much the type of experience that Obama is saying he has. (For that matter, as a "community organizer" I have a lot of experience myself, I think that every American can say the same thing.)

Perhaps if Obama came out and said specifically which organizations he ran and specifically what he did, that would validate his community organizer experience. Until then, it just sounds like he is padding his resume with generic terms.

 

[Chickpea]

This is very interesting. Last night the VP nominee denigrated community organizers and Senator Obama and the people he helped in Chicago.

Tonight, John McCain asks the party and the country to go out and "feed a hungry child, teach an illererate person to read, get involved to make a difference."

The very things that community organizers do, and are so effective at!

McCain separated himself from the Republican administration of Bush; and brought Palin in as the heiress to the Bush idealogy....No wonder it is hard to explain/put into words what there is to like about this team.


Gives a new definition to the term "split ticket"

McCain acted last night as if his party has not been in power for the past 8 years - regardless though, I think his maverick sprirt was back last night and frankly had he not lost it for so long I could possibly have been swayed by what I once considered was a true virtue of his which is sincerity - his personal story is truely heroic and admirable however what struck me most about all of the nostalgia was that McCain seemed to me to be a man who was reflecting back on his past in particular and not one who was necessarily trying to project a strong future.

We shall see - I am much more interested in hearing whether he will sway some independents - I remain firm in my conviction that Palin will not (so far) but am curious if he will sway those on the fence....

 

[Miss Kitty]

Imo

This is timely, as I have been thinking of the messages both parties are sending out to the populace. I have thought over my voting record and realized that the last time I voted with confidence was for Reagan. I have voted my "lessor of two evils" in the remaining elections, by turning a blind eye to the parts of the platform I did not agree with. I believe I was able to look the other way on many things, gay issues and abortion issues being most important to me , because I believed in my heart that common sense would rule the day no matter what. This may seem like childish or uninformed thinking to some, but as I reflect, that is the conclusion I came up with.

I want to vote FOR someone in this election. That is my struggle...and I think the struggle many Americans are up against. I thank everyone that has listened to me, informed me and tried to educate me (big shout out to bdarg!). I know the swipes will continue on sowal.com and in the media. But, hear me when I say this...it is the civil discourse here and there that I pay attention to...when I see personal and outlandish (to me) attacks, I turn the channel or hit new posts. ;-)

 

[Chickpea]

As you know, Palin was criticizing Obama about his "community organizer" because he gave that as an example of his executive experience which qualifies him to be President. He also said that he had more executive experience than Palin who is a sitting Governor. Obama's campaign denigrates Palin's experience as a mayor of a small town and conveniently never mentions that she is a sitting Governor. If Obama dishes it out, he has to take it. She was not denigrating "community organizers," whatever that it is. It is obviously a made up term and Obama is getting desperate. She was only pointing out that community organizer experience is not as pertinent as the real executive experience that she has. Palin has plenty of "community organizer" experience if you want to count city council and PTA because that is pretty much the type of experience that Obama is saying he has. (For that matter, as a "community organizer" I have a lot of experience myself, I think that every American can say the same thing.)

Perhaps if Obama came out and said specifically which organizations he ran and specifically what he did, that would validate his community organizer experience. Until then, it just sounds like he is padding his resume with generic terms.

If you can show me an actual quote of Obama denigrating Palin as a Govenor I would love to see it - I do not believe he has done so - in fact he and Biden have shown considerable restraint with her (the pundits are the ones on the attack)

CCK: if you are truely interested in what Obama has or has not done there is plenty to cull from - his record and accomplishments are pretty much an open book at this point - you may still disagree that this qualifies him and that is your opinion but he has been vetted by the national press. At this point, and I am sure you can understand this, we would like to know where Palin stands and her positions on the issues.

And I CAN separate her personal private (admirable) life from her public record - I am interested in the latter and not remotely in the former (and I feel this way about all candidates!!) - I want to know what she believes in - what are her thoughts about foreign policy, the economy, education, healthcare, personal freedoms and choices - is true that she tried banning some library books (if this is NOT true then it should be exposed as a hoax just like that disgusting lie that was spread about her and her 5th child)?

She has to be vetted and hopefully the press can do their jobs!

 

[30ashopper]

This is timely, as I have been thinking of the messages both parties are sending out to the populace. I have thought over my voting record and realized that the last time I voted with confidence was for Reagan. I have voted my "lessor of two evils" in the remaining elections, by turning a blind eye to the parts of the platform I did not agree with. I believe I was able to look the other way on many things, gay issues and abortion issues being most important to me , because I believed in my heart that common sense would rule the day no matter what. This may seem like childish or uninformed thinking to some, but as I reflect, that is the conclusion I came up with.

I want to vote FOR someone in this election. That is my struggle...and I think the struggle many Americans are up against. I thank everyone that has listened to me, informed me and tried to educate me (big shout out to bdarg!). I know the swipes will continue on sowal.com and in the media. But, hear me when I say this...it is the civil discourse here and there that I pay attention to...when I see personal and outlandish (to me) attacks, I turn the channel or hit new posts. ;-)

Kitty, that's nothing to be ashamed of. Our elections are often a choice between the worst of two options or parties. In this election I would suggest you try to ignore all the "four more years" rhetoric and consider McCain, what he stands for, and most importantly, think about the virtues of balance in devided government. I had this discussion with my sister the other night (a die hard Obama fan) but I was able to get her to admit that single party rule, is usually not very productive. Checks and balances, while contentious, tend to produce the best results. A good example might be the last four Clinton years with the Republican Congress.

 

[shellak]

republican convention

my husband is very rational and does not get emotional about politics the way i do. he watched thompson, giuliani and palin's speeches the other night. afterwards, he looked at me and said he could not believe how venomous and hateful these people were. palin denigrating obama's community experience, where he went one on one with those who had lost jobs, etc. was just outrageous. this is the karl rove mentality continuing to raise its ugly head. actually, as a democrat in this area, it is starting to feel like the mccarthy era again. i am a true blue liberal but i am not soft on crime (former prosecutor), do not believe in just handing out welfare to anyone who wants it and would love to see all the wasteful spending in government stop, such as continuing to pour money into the iraqi conflict. i wholeheartedly support our military personnel and think they deserve much higher compensation but i also think the war should have been in afghanistan. i am also a person of compassion and have never forgotten where i came from. as an aside, if you think the republicans are a party of diversity, check out the convention crowds. it was laughable.

 

[Miss Kitty]

Kitty, that's nothing to be ashamed of. Our elections are often a choice between the worst of two options or parties. In this election I would suggest you try to ignore all the "four more years" rhetoric and consider McCain, what he stands for, and most importantly, think about the virtues of balance in devided government. I had this discussion with my sister the other night (a die hard Obama fan) but I was able to get her to admit that single party rule, is usually not very productive. Checks and balances, while contentious, tend to produce the best results. A good example might be the last four Clinton years with the Republican Congress.

Thank you! You had just the kind of conversation with your sister than I have been craving! Because I am really attempting to have an open mind about both candidates, I keep asking people on both sides what they feel most uncomfortable with in their chosen party's platform. I must admit it is the Republicans I have spoken to that are most forthcoming with their concerns. When I typed that last sentence, I realized the can of worms I opened! ;-)

 

[30ashopper]

Thank you! You had just the kind of conversation with your sister than I have been craving! Because I am really attempting to have an open mind about both candidates, I keep asking people on both sides what they feel most uncomfortable with in their chosen party's platform. I must admit it is the Republicans I have spoken to that are most forthcoming with their concerns. When I typed that last sentence, I realized the can of worms I opened! ;-)

ooh, I'm going to have to ask my sister that. Good question.

 

[GoodWitch58]

Thank you! You had just the kind of conversation with your sister than I have been craving! Because I am really attempting to have an open mind about both candidates, I keep asking people on both sides what they feel most uncomfortable with in their chosen party's platform. I must admit it is the Republicans I have spoken to that are most forthcoming with their concerns. When I typed that last sentence, I realized the can of worms I opened! ;-)

and yet, I have been trying to understand what it is that appeals about Sarah Palin...what it is that makes someone want to cast their vote for McCain/Palin and the best I can get is "I like her; and she's one of us".

I really do wish someone could lay it out for me. I have long thought McCain is a decent man and I have admired much of his Senate work...last night I saw the old McCain back...but, where does Palin fit in? What the two of them said was diametrically opposed....

civil discourse on the issues anyone?