Walton Deputies To Unionize.

[WhoDat1]

PBA Rep,
I was the one that asked Mr. Mayo when he had a meeting with us, who was the person from this department that contacted the PBA about starting a union. Mr. Mayo replied " Sheriff Johnson". I stated that Sheriff Johnson said in the Defuniak Herald the day before that he could not be involved with the start of a union, because he was their employer and it would be illegal. Mr. Mayo replied " all I can say is that Sheriff Johnson contacted us". I am very shocked that the PBA would employee you. I make that statement on your very unprofessional postings. I also believe you may not even work for the PBA. If I am wrong please tell me your name, so I can confirm it with Mr. Jim Wiggins ( the director of organization for the PBA). This department has survived for a long time without a union and I believe that Mike Adkinson should be given the chance to show what he can do. You talk about 10 people cozying up with the new administration. That may be people that have been supporting them from the beginning. If that is not true, then the new administration is smart enough to see through their smoke screen. I think that if you became involved with this department, if the union goes through, you would not be beneifical. I make this decision again from your unprofessional postings on this forum.
The only people that want this union to go through are people that are trying to save their rank or position. Mike Adkinson is fair and honest, that is why he was elected Sheriff. That is also way my family supported him, because we believed he was the right canidate for the Office of the Sheriff. Can you also tell me how many Sheriff Offices in the State of Florida, have a PBA union in their department. The decision should also be lift up to the employees of the Sheriff Office, without any help from anyone from the Fire Department. A union with the Fire Department is not the same as a union with a Sheriff Office.
Thank you for taking time in reading my posting.

Yes this department has survived just look!:funn:

1. no step or merit increases
2. no set standards for promotion
3. no Due process in discipline and demotion
4. money wasted on unneccesary things
5. no overtime pay for court or staying over on cases
6. no holiday pay
7. termination without cause
8. no consistency

That IS JUST surviving.....

Sheriff Adkinson may very well give us all of this. BUT, he will not be the last sheriff of Walton County. And if these are things he wants done, lets do it together.

What happens when YOU'RE the one that falls from grace? And I'm speaking to everyone here. Do you trust ANYONE with your livelyhood? Or are you ready to take control of your OWN destiny, rather than leaving it in someone else's hands? All we are asking is for the same protections and benefits that Sheriff Adkinson enjoyed under a PBA contract.


I can assure you sir or ma'am that I hold no power OR position at the Sheriff's Office. I am a road deputy. If it goes through great. If it does'nt, oh well, I'll keep my mouth shut and continue paying my dues to the PBA.

As for how many S.O.s have the PBA as their collective bargaining reps....see flpba.org and surf the site. Its on there. However, if you know Mr. Wiggins, he could've told you that.

 

[WhoDat1]

Here are the agencies PBA represents in collective bargaining.

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Northwest Florida Chapter
Escambia County S.O. (5 units)
Escambia County (2 units)
Niceville P.D.
Santa Rosa County S.O. (Corrections)
University of West Florida P.D.
State-wide Chapters
FDLE Agents Association
Florida Correctional Probation Officers
Florida Highway Patrol Officers
Institutional Security Specialists
Department of Lottery Officers
State Correctional Officers
State Law Enforcement Officers
Big Bend Chapter
Florida A&M University P.D.
Florida State University P.D.
Quincy Public Safety
Tallahassee P.D. (2 units)
North Central Chapter
Alachua County S.O.
Chiefland P.D.
Gainesville P.D. (Lts.)
Gilchrist County S.O.
High Springs P.D.
Levy County S.O. (2 units)
University of Florida P.D.
Williston P.D.
Coastal Florida PBA
Brevard County S.O. (3 units)
Bunnell P.D.
Casselberry P.D.
Dunellon P.D.
Fernandina Beach P.D.
Flagler Beach P.D.
Flagler County S.O (3 units)
Ft. Pierce P.D. ( 2 units)
Holly Hill P.D.
Indian Harbour Beach P.D.
Indian River County S.O.
Melbourne P.D.
Nassau County S.O. (2 Units)
Orange City P.D.
Orange Park P.D.
Ormond Beach P.D.
Oviedo P.D.
Port Orange P.D.
Port St. Lucie P.D. ( 2 units)
Rockledge P.D.
Sebastian P.D.
St. Augustine P.D.
St. Lucie County S.O. (3 units)
South Daytona P.D.
Titusville P.D.
Vero Beach P.D.
Central Florida Chapter
Edgewood P.D.
Kissimmee P.D. (2 units)
Orange County S.O. (2 units)
Orlando P.D. (non-sworn)
University of Central Florida P.D.
Palm Beach County PBA
Boynton Beach P.D. (3 units)
Delray Beach P.D.
Florida Atlantic University P.D.
Greenacres P.D.
Jupiter P.D.
Lantana P.D.
Mangonia Park P.D.
Martin County S.O. (3 Units)
North Palm Beach P.D.
Palm Beach County S.O. ( 2 units)
Palm Beach County School Bd.
(2 units)
Palm Beach Gardens P.D. (2 units)
Palm Beach Shores Public Safety
Palm Springs Public Safety
Stuart P.D.
Tequesta P.D.
West Palm Beach P.D. (2 units)
Broward County PBA
Broward County Schools
Broward County S.O. (2 units)
Coconut Creek P.D. (2 units)
Hallandale Beach P.D.
Hillsboro Beach P.D.
Hollywood P.D.
Lighthouse Point P.D.
Margate P.D.
Miramar P.D.
Pembroke Pines P.D.
Sea Ranch Lakes P.D.
Sunrise P.D. (Lts.)
Wilton Manors P.D
Dade County PBA
Aventura P. D.
Bal Harbour Village P.D.
Bay Harbor Islands P. D
Biscayne Park P.D.
El Portal P.D.
Florida City P.D.
Florida International
University P.D.
Hialeah P.D.
Hialeah Gardens P.D.
Homestead P.D.
Key West P.D.
Medley P.D.
Miami-Dade Corrections &
Rehabilitation Dept.
Miami-Dade P.D.
Miami Shores P.D.
Miami Springs P.D.
North Bay Village P.D.
Opa-Locka P.D.
South Miami P.D.
Sunny Isle P.D.
Sweetwater P.D.
West Miami P.D.
Gulf Coast Chapter
Ft. Myers P.D.
Marco Island P.D.
Southwest Florida Chapter
Avon Park P.D.
Bradenton P.D. (2 units)
Desoto County S.O. (4 units)
Highlands County S.O. (2 units)
New College of Florida P.D.
North Port P.D.
Punta Gorda P.D. (2 units)
Sarasota County S.O.
(3 units)
Sarasota P.D. (2 units)
Sarasota-Manatee
Airport P.D.
Sebring P.D.
Pinellas County PBA
Crystal River P.D.
Largo P.D.
Pinellas County Schools
St. Petersburg P.D.
Tarpon Springs P.D.
Treasure Island P.D.
West Central Florida PBA
Auburndale P.D.
Bartow P.D.
Dade City P.D.
Ft. Meade P.D.
Hillsborough County S.O. (2 Units)
Lakeland P.D.
Lake Wales P.D.
Mulberry P.D.
New Port Richey P.D.
Port Richey P.D.
Tampa Int’l Airport P.D.
Tampa P.D. (2 units)
University of South
Florida P.D.
Zephyrhills P.D.
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[ShallowsFuzz]

Here are the agencies PBA represents in collective bargaining.

Northwest Florida Chapter

Escambia County S.O. (5 units)
Escambia County (2 units)
Niceville P.D.
Santa Rosa County S.O. (Corrections)
University of West Florida P.D.
State-wide Chapters
FDLE Agents Association
Florida Correctional Probation Officers
Florida Highway Patrol Officers
Institutional Security Specialists
Department of Lottery Officers
State Correctional Officers
State Law Enforcement Officers
Big Bend Chapter
Florida A&M University P.D.
Florida State University P.D.
Quincy Public Safety
Tallahassee P.D. (2 units)
North Central Chapter
Alachua County S.O.
Chiefland P.D.
Gainesville P.D. (Lts.)
Gilchrist County S.O.
High Springs P.D.
Levy County S.O. (2 units)
University of Florida P.D.
Williston P.D.
Coastal Florida PBA
Brevard County S.O. (3 units)
Bunnell P.D.
Casselberry P.D.
Dunellon P.D.
Fernandina Beach P.D.
Flagler Beach P.D.
Flagler County S.O (3 units)
Ft. Pierce P.D. ( 2 units)
Holly Hill P.D.
Indian Harbour Beach P.D.
Indian River County S.O.
Melbourne P.D.
Nassau County S.O. (2 Units)
Orange City P.D.
Orange Park P.D.
Ormond Beach P.D.
Oviedo P.D.
Port Orange P.D.
Port St. Lucie P.D. ( 2 units)
Rockledge P.D.
Sebastian P.D.
St. Augustine P.D.
St. Lucie County S.O. (3 units)
South Daytona P.D.
Titusville P.D.
Vero Beach P.D.
Central Florida Chapter
Edgewood P.D.
Kissimmee P.D. (2 units)
Orange County S.O. (2 units)
Orlando P.D. (non-sworn)
University of Central Florida P.D.
Palm Beach County PBA
Boynton Beach P.D. (3 units)
Delray Beach P.D.
Florida Atlantic University P.D.
Greenacres P.D.
Jupiter P.D.
Lantana P.D.
Mangonia Park P.D.
Martin County S.O. (3 Units)
North Palm Beach P.D.
Palm Beach County S.O. ( 2 units)
Palm Beach County School Bd.
(2 units)
Palm Beach Gardens P.D. (2 units)
Palm Beach Shores Public Safety
Palm Springs Public Safety
Stuart P.D.
Tequesta P.D.
West Palm Beach P.D. (2 units)
Broward County PBA
Broward County Schools
Broward County S.O. (2 units)
Coconut Creek P.D. (2 units)
Hallandale Beach P.D.
Hillsboro Beach P.D.
Hollywood P.D.
Lighthouse Point P.D.
Margate P.D.
Miramar P.D.
Pembroke Pines P.D.
Sea Ranch Lakes P.D.
Sunrise P.D. (Lts.)
Wilton Manors P.D
Dade County PBA
Aventura P. D.
Bal Harbour Village P.D.
Bay Harbor Islands P. D
Biscayne Park P.D.
El Portal P.D.
Florida City P.D.
Florida International
University P.D.
Hialeah P.D.
Hialeah Gardens P.D.
Homestead P.D.
Key West P.D.
Medley P.D.
Miami-Dade Corrections &
Rehabilitation Dept.
Miami-Dade P.D.
Miami Shores P.D.
Miami Springs P.D.
North Bay Village P.D.
Opa-Locka P.D.
South Miami P.D.
Sunny Isle P.D.
Sweetwater P.D.
West Miami P.D.
Gulf Coast Chapter
Ft. Myers P.D.
Marco Island P.D.
Southwest Florida Chapter
Avon Park P.D.
Bradenton P.D. (2 units)
Desoto County S.O. (4 units)
Highlands County S.O. (2 units)
New College of Florida P.D.
North Port P.D.
Punta Gorda P.D. (2 units)
Sarasota County S.O.
(3 units)
Sarasota P.D. (2 units)
Sarasota-Manatee
Airport P.D.
Sebring P.D.
Pinellas County PBA
Crystal River P.D.
Largo P.D.
Pinellas County Schools
St. Petersburg P.D.
Tarpon Springs P.D.
Treasure Island P.D.
West Central Florida PBA
Auburndale P.D.
Bartow P.D.
Dade City P.D.
Ft. Meade P.D.
Hillsborough County S.O. (2 Units)
Lakeland P.D.
Lake Wales P.D.
Mulberry P.D.
New Port Richey P.D.
Port Richey P.D.
Tampa Int?l Airport P.D.
Tampa P.D. (2 units)
University of South
Florida P.D.
Zephyrhills P.D.
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Why so many PD's and only a few SO's.

 

[WhoDat1]

Its relatively new to S.O.'s. But there are still several major departments listed. We can be among them! Or not........Like I said, I'd like to see this, but its not going to break my heart if it does'nt fly. In th end, it will be the decision of the majority that counts.

Still, Nineteen Sheriff's Offices including Miami-Dade P.D. (this Sheriff is appointed "Chief of Police") is nothing to sneeze at.

And besides, there are WAY more municipalities than Counties in Florida. From small to large.

 

[The Watcher]

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Watcher, your right, lets go ahead and let Mike do what he wants.(sarcasm) Forget the fact that the primary reason is job security. You have said you support the idea, but obviously only after Mike is allowed to do what he wants. Your belief that the timimg stinks and one of the only reasons it is coming now is to "protect a few of RJ's stooges". Well you do realize that a lot of Deputies were hired under RJ. Would all those deputies be considered RJ's stooges. The politics for the rank and file deputies and supervisors must end. I have always wondered why they have never started a Union before; but in the end it goes to the divide the leaders/ Sheriff and managment, has always been able to place within the rank and file. Its not any different now, there are those who supported MA and those who supported others. MA has the opportunity to place his managers, top 3, 4 or 5 folks, to make the changes he wants to make. Those Supervisors and Deputies should be allowed to continue at their current position. I've heard from deputies who oppse the Union because THEY believe THEY have current supervisors who are supervising them that THEY believe are not qualified for their position, other than this reason these deputies have said they supports the idea of a Union. I have also had Deputies who are supportive of the Union and have the same beef with the supervisor issue, but will vote yes because in the end it is the right way to go. I agree changes need to be made within the WCSO and MA has the opportunity to make those changes in the way the department is operated. As for oversite by the Sun or NWF Daily news, or the PUBLIC as a whole, think about the opposition to what is right or wrong and the difference of opinions here on SOWAL. Come on these folks need our support. Support them, let THEM have their say, yes or no, IT WILL BE THEIR DECISION. I for one will support them either way.

OK, apparently I am not making myself clear. Please, for the record, understand that I fully understand and have clear and direct knowledge of how the WCSO has operated for the past 8 years. I know many of the officers and the supervisiors. Some (most) of whom are good, others very sad excuses to wear a uniform.

I do not know where anyone is getting the idea that deputies are going to loose their jobs... Now, if you are a sorry excuse for one, and there are a few (you know who you are), then maybe a bit of paranoia is OK. As for the main crux of the staff, I would not worry a bit, do you think that Mike Adkinson has dozens of officers waiting in the wings for your jobs? No, you all do a good job, don't sweat it and don't buy the BS sandwich being served.

However, supervisors, specifically Lt's and above, may, in my opinion, be another story. I have heard about a few concerns regarding some very young and allegedly inexperienced Sgt's., but I know these guys and they are good cops. Don't let age or time on the job be the only factor you look at. One needs to look at integrity and morals, something RJ's clic lacks.

A transition team of very experienced individuals has already been selected to begin the process for MA's administration. Let them and the rest of the staff do their jobs and then let's assess the situation. PBA is not going anywhere, they'll hang around like buzzards until you either let them eat or shoo them away. If they fail to set the department up for success, fail to support and promote MA's campaign committments, then it is time for a second look at the union.

Again, I beg the question, if WCSO needs representation, where was this call to arms four, three, two or even one year ago? Why now with a new leader coming on board? Can anyone of you super supporters please answer this for me? This is the main reason I am questioning this action, so far, no one is willing to answer it.

 

[Jdarg]

I have a question that I could probably research the answer, but would rather hear it from a local law enforcement professional.

In a nutshell, what is the difference between a Sheriff's Office and a Police Department?

In Louisville/Jefferson County, KY, we had the JCPD and LPD for law enforcement, and the Sheriff and his deputies seemed to function as an arm of the courts, serving summons, depos, warrants, etc. In Walton County, the deputies are law enforcement.

Thanks in advance!

 

[The Watcher]

Kudos to U

You have some nerve coming on here talking about Leo101 using an alias,when several postings back I asked when I called the number you provided whom should I ask for and you never answered. You want all of the deputies who are against the union to not believe the union is bad and put faith in PBA rep (you) and not listen to rumors going around, Yet here you are telling people on this forum that you "hear internally that there are about 10 or more cozying up to the new boss" Well I can almost bet ya a million dollars that my name was on that list. I personally have a hard time thinking that you are truly a PBA rep by the way you act on here. Your not just here to tell pros and cons. Your on here spreading rumors, of the anti union guys in the department, defending things that deputies have heard with their own ears in meetings, and calling them lies. That in itself is unprofessional, and I for one hope that if this union does get vote in that you have nothing to do with it, because my 13 year old acts more mature than you do.

By the way, I too heard of your little "you better bring your A game" Thats a great way to start off a meeting with a bunch of folks who already have fears of something so new. I wish you would sit back and realize 90 % of the deputies are not against PBA, just how it was started, who was behind it, and the fact that Rick Mayo stated that they wanted it pushed through before Mike came into office. Its almost as if everytime someone says that to you, it goes in one ear and out the other. If I were you I would be on here reassuring people, not talking smack about who is in with the new sheriff. I helped support that man, but I am not going to be a Captain,General, OR whatever other kinda bullcrap people have spread around. I did what I did, risking my job to do so at that because I believed he would be a good boss. Believe it or not I could care less.

This is the best summary I have read. It is right on the money. After getting rid of one bully (RJ), now there is a new bully (PBA). Those in the know (ie. those opposing you, PBA) know that RJ was behind your appearance here in Walton County. RJ is a little baby with poop in his pants still crying till it gets changed. Well guess what, we're not going to change it. He made his poop, he can sit in it, all the way to Tennessee.

The simple fact is, that apparently, PBA is so power hungry that they do not realize that "90%" of the officers are NOT opposed to a union, they are opposed to the manner in which it was brought about. (Hello, in law enforcement, this is called a CLUE). Unfortunately, officers seem to not realize that PBA will still be there next April, May, June or July, whenever they (officers) decide if the new Admin. is doing its job. PBA will wait for you, why not give the new administration a chance and make PBA wait? No one has answered this question. Why can't you wait to see how it goes? If your answer is "because then MA will have done what he's done... or someother sideways lingo, you must be one of the handful of RJ lap dogs begging for your last treat. Even during the election, the lap dogs willingly did things that were/are so dissapointing, upsetting and disgusting, that I need to go vomit as I complete this typ... ...ing, OK, I'm back.

Use your heads and wait...

w

 

[The Watcher]

even better....

PBA Rep,
I was the one that asked Mr. Mayo when he had a meeting with us, who was the person from this department that contacted the PBA about starting a union. Mr. Mayo replied " Sheriff Johnson". I stated that Sheriff Johnson said in the Defuniak Herald the day before that he could not be involved with the start of a union, because he was their employer and it would be illegal. Mr. Mayo replied " all I can say is that Sheriff Johnson contacted us". I am very shocked that the PBA would employee you. I make that statement on your very unprofessional postings. I also believe you may not even work for the PBA. If I am wrong please tell me your name, so I can confirm it with Mr. Jim Wiggins ( the director of organization for the PBA). This department has survived for a long time without a union and I believe that Mike Adkinson should be given the chance to show what he can do. You talk about 10 people cozying up with the new administration. That may be people that have been supporting them from the beginning. If that is not true, then the new administration is smart enough to see through their smoke screen. I think that if you became involved with this department, if the union goes through, you would not be beneifical. I make this decision again from your unprofessional postings on this forum.
The only people that want this union to go through are people that are trying to save their rank or position. Mike Adkinson is fair and honest, that is why he was elected Sheriff. That is also way my family supported him, because we believed he was the right canidate for the Office of the Sheriff. Can you also tell me how many Sheriff Offices in the State of Florida, have a PBA union in their department. The decision should also be lift up to the employees of the Sheriff Office, without any help from anyone from the Fire Department. A union with the Fire Department is not the same as a union with a Sheriff Office.
Thank you for taking time in reading my posting.

Right On!!! Dead on examples of what I have been saying. I am glad someone else can call it like it is.

Bottom line is that a few of RJ's clic are making every attempt to preserve their jobs. Hey, DS, your old boss should have made arrangements for you, did he? You did everything he asked of you, even walked those BS papers over to the ASA's office (backstabber).;-)

These bold faced points are right on the money and very, very valid. Wake up PBA and realize what you are standing in.

I will be seeing U.

w

 

[The Watcher]

Incorporation

I have a question that I could probably research the answer, but would rather hear it from a local law enforcement professional.

In a nutshell, what is the difference between a Sheriff's Office and a Police Department?

In Louisville/Jefferson County, KY, we had the JCPD and LPD for law enforcement, and the Sheriff and his deputies seemed to function as an arm of the courts, serving summons, depos, warrants, etc. In Walton County, the deputies are law enforcement.

Thanks in advance!

Hope this helps...

All I know is that in the South, a Sheriffs Office holds the most authority. In the North, generally speaking, the larger city agencies hold the most authority (per capita). It is based on incorporation and city, county boundaries. Now, Miami-Dade is an exception, but look at Orlando, Florida vs. Orange County. Where I come from the SO was not the top agency, they basically served a bunch of Civil Papers and responded to unincorporated areas, the city did all the real police work. Here, in Walton, we do not have a very large city. DFS is the only incorporated Town/City, and they do have their own PD. WCSO still serves the civil papers there too.

As for a Union, it is much easier to push through a Union agenda when a political figure is not up for re-election every four years...

 

[idlewind]

Watcher, you seem pretty "in the know" so tell us:
1. Who are the lapdogs?
2. What disappointing things did they do?
3. Who are the experienced hands that Mr. Adkinson has brought in?
4. Who is paying for the new hands?
5. Are we also paying for the lapdogs at present?


Don't have any reason but burning curiousity for #1-3 but ask 4-5 as a taxpayer.