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poppy

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Sep 10, 2008
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Could anything be more beautiful. It brings a tear to my eye. :cry:


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poppy

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Sep 10, 2008
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Question: did you drive a car today? This week? If the answer is yes, you are part of the problem. I am all for alternative, renewable energy sources but they are slow in improving to an economially viable reality. What do we do meanwhile?



Steal gas from your neighbor.:D
 

Andy A

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Feb 28, 2007
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We are dependent on oil, we are pouring billions into the Middle East because of oil, and we all spent a lot of extra money and took an economic hit because of oil prices this year.

Now people are advocating drilling in areas that we specifically set aside for protection because we need more and more oil to feed our demand, whatever the consequences.

The solution to an unhealthy addiction is not to find more ways to feed that addiction.
I suggest you buy a bicycle if you do not like our present lifestyle. While you're at it buy me one, too, but with a very small motor as I am getting too old to pedal very far. Your concerns for ANWR are ludicrous. We can pursue an alternative energy policy and still access our own resources and would be better for it.
 
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30ashopper

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We are dependent on oil, we are pouring billions into the Middle East because of oil, and we all spent a lot of extra money and took an economic hit because of oil prices this year.

Now people are advocating drilling in areas that we specifically set aside for protection because we need more and more oil to feed our demand, whatever the consequences.

The solution to an unhealthy addiction is not to find more ways to feed that addiction.

Bad analogies aside, the three problems you list would be mitigated by increased domestic production and continued research into alternatives. There's nothing preventing us from moving toward oil independence and decreasing our dependence on foriegn oil at the same time. Smart energy policy does not involve an all or nothing approach.
 
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30ashopper

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Apr 30, 2008
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Right here!
Could anything be more beautiful. It brings a tear to my eye. :cry:


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Baseless propaganda. Back your claim up with some real data, show me proof we would see these structures off the coast if we allowed NG drilling.
 

Bob

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Bad analogies aside, the three problems you list would be mitigated by increased domestic production and continued research into alternatives. There's nothing preventing us from moving toward oil independence and decreasing our dependence on foriegn oil at the same time. Smart energy policy does not involve an all or nothing approach.
cheap oil prices prevented any movement toward oil independence, as we are a selfish, reactive culture willing to perpetrate war to maintain energy supplies rather than change...expensive gas would get technological innovation faster than nasa's sprint to the moon, because we would be forced into action. i spoke to a gm at a large local ford dealer in orlando three days ago, and was informed, for the month of november, the dealership had sold 65 trucks, to 6 passenger cars. we will be dragged kicking and screaming into energy independence.
 

scooterbug44

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May 8, 2007
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I suggest you buy a bicycle if you do not like our present lifestyle. While you're at it buy me one, too, but with a very small motor as I am getting too old to pedal very far. Your concerns for ANWR are ludicrous. We can pursue an alternative energy policy and still access our own resources and would be better for it.

I have a bicycle and frequently use it to get places on 30A instead of driving.

Yes, I own a car and recognize that makes me part of the problem - which is why I try to also be part of the solution by purchasing a vehicle that gets good gas mileage, driving as little as possible, carpooling or using public transportation, and strongly advocating alternatives to oil.

My issue with ANWR is that there are unused leases all around a designated wildlife refuge and yet we still must drill in the wildlife refuge. Why can't we respect that designation and make drilling there a last resort?

We have existing and affordable technology that would allow us to dramatically reduce our oil consumption, so I fail to see why we should risk destroying our beaches and protected areas instead of using this technology.
 

poppy

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Sep 10, 2008
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Baseless propaganda. Back your claim up with some real data, show me proof we would see these structures off the coast if we allowed NG drilling.
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These structures are off the coast.
 

full time

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Oct 25, 2006
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cheap oil prices prevented any movement toward oil independence, as we are a selfish, reactive culture willing to perpetrate war to maintain energy supplies rather than change...expensive gas would get technological innovation faster than nasa's sprint to the moon, because we would be forced into action. i spoke to a gm at a large local ford dealer in orlando three days ago, and was informed, for the month of november, the dealership had sold 65 trucks, to 6 passenger cars. we will be dragged kicking and screaming into energy independence.

I noticed how we "sprinted" into a deep recession with expensive gas, but I've yet to see this "technological innovation" of which you speak. Right now, I'm enjoying a slow drive with cheap gas. You should take the 2 bucks plus a gallon your saving at the pump and start innovating. Who knows, if your technology is worth a crap and can make money, I might even invest some of my newly discovered excess gas money. Much luck!
 

Matt J

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May 9, 2007
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I suggest you buy a bicycle if you do not like our present lifestyle. While you're at it buy me one, too, but with a very small motor as I am getting too old to pedal very far. Your concerns for ANWR are ludicrous. We can pursue an alternative energy policy and still access our own resources and would be better for it.

You state that ANWR should be opened to drilling and who cares. How would you feel if they struck oil next door to you and erected a 100 foot oil well next door?
 
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