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Careful, it's damn cold and icy out there which is very upsetting to our resident global warming enthusiast.
 

Winnie

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your original question as posed is quoted above. I didn't see Obama referenced there. Are you changing the terms of what you'll accept as an answer, or are the numerous answers indicating bush's ****ty performance have you questioning your adoration for him?

The videos referenced in my response show what I believe to be still unresolved issues that bush has just moved past, which seems to be sop with his management style. They(the videos) also indicate what a total buffoon I believe him to be. He has no grasp of the reality that the country faces. He is unfit to run a soda fountain. I still question how those of you who voted for him justified it to your selves.

You asked. If you really weren't ready for honest answers/opinions you should have not posted.

Okay.
How are these instances (the videos you posted) a "mess" President George W. Bush has left our country in?
 

John R

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Okay.
How are these instances (the videos you posted) a "mess" President George W. Bush has left our country in?

ok, i'll explain it like i'm a third grader. New Orleans is far from finished with it's recovery, if it will ever be finished. Although I cannot directly blame bush for causing the hurricane, his response was weak(at best) and as soon as the outcry died down, he was done with it. how about we send NOLA a couple of billion? Mess. resolution: open

9/11 - more incompetence. did he have knowledge of an impending attack against US soil? who knows? Did he respond like any other human you know when given the info? no. The whole thing is riddled with questions and no answers coming soon from the bush camp. This is still an open issue for many New Yorkers and anyone who lost a loved one. He's done with this too, I'm pretty sure. Mess. Resolution: are you kidding me?

War- Which one would you like me to address?? Let's go with a simple one; War on terror. Seriously? We're no more safe then we were on 9/10. Our borders and control points are a joke. DHS and all it's power/control/whatever you want to call it have only made it more of an irritation to fly commercial. Mess. Resolution: please.

These are only three, the financial crisis, our standing in the eyes of the rest of the world, no child left behind, torture......... bush and his business partners had a great 8 years. what about the rest of us? he will be costing us money for as long as he, and his wife, and his children are alive. he can't disappear fast enough. yes, we can spread the blame around as far and wide as we care to. but guess who was at the head of the table? the decider
 

30ashopper

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ok, I?ll explain it like I?m a third grader. New Orleans is far from finished with its recovery, if it will ever be finished. Although I cannot directly blame bush for causing the hurricane, his response was weak(at best) and as soon as the outcry died down, he was done with it. how about we send NOLA a couple of billion? Mess. resolution: open

Why is it the Federal Government's responsibility to rebuild New Orleans?

9/11 - more incompetence. did he have knowledge of an impending attack against US soil? who knows? Did he respond like any other human you know when given the info? no. The whole thing is riddled with questions and no answers coming soon from the bush camp. This is still an open issue for many New Yorkers and anyone who lost a loved one. He's done with this too, I'm pretty sure. Mess. Resolution: are you kidding me?

Conspiracy theories aside, we were attacked, and went to war within a month and a half. After a year of destroying the enemy the war and rebuilding effort was turned over to NATO to manage at the behest of the U.N.. Granted Iraq took away resources, but I fail to see how he mishandled this in any way shape or form. Quite the contrary, he handled it extremely well. God forbid All Gore was in his shoes, we probably would have responded by bombing a milk factory or two.

War- Which one would you like me to address?? Let's go with a simple one; War on terror. Seriously? We're no more safe then we were on 9/10.

Data to back that claim up please?

Our borders and control points are a joke.

Largely because Democrats and unions block the legislation to secure them.

DHS and all its power/control/whatever you want to call it have only made it more of an irritation to fly commercial.

No arguments there, it should have remained private. Creating yet another Government boondoggle did not solve the problem, it made it worse.

These are only three, the financial crisis, our standing in the eyes of the rest of the world, no child left behind, torture......... bush and his business partners had a great 8 years. what about the rest of us? he will be costing us money for as long as he, and his wife, and his children are alive. he can't disappear fast enough. yes, we can spread the blame around as far and wide as we care to. but guess who was at the head of the table? the decider

The financial crisis was OUR fault, not Bush's. I know you think it's the responsibility of government to take us by the hand and lead down the road of prosperity, protecting us all the way from our own silly mistakes. I disagree. So I don't fault Bush one iota on the financial crisis. This is an ideological difference, so there's not much chance we'll change each other's opinion. Just bear in mind there are those out there who completely disagree with you on this point.

Torture - Aside from what happened at Abu Ghraib (for which those responsible should roast), I still haven't seen any solid evidence of this.

International standing - Another ideological difference. We carry the rest of the world on our backs, and China carries us on theirs. We will always be the whipping boy as long as we are number one. Such is life. I'm not about to start apologizing for working toward our own self interests, that's what everyone else is doing, so why shouldn't we do the same? Granted, Id be all for a good dose of isolationism right now, but we wont see it. Both Dems and Reps like to throw their weight around the world, just in different ways.
 

Andy A

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:yikes:wow. have you checked out his approval ratings lately? I would think that most Americans feel there is quite a mess and they are not happy with the direction of this country. you can search this board and find many threads on this subject if you need a better understanding. have you googled "mess left by Bush"?

Bush was incompetent, and the result of his administration was no more and no less than what I and many had expected. but, its over. thankfully. I'm not interested in thinking about it or analyzing it one more day.
Good! Neither am I! I suggest we all stop because half of us (including me) don't know what we are talking about or do not have the time or the space to verify what we think and the other half really doesn't care.
 

Teresa

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Yes, many mistakes have been made, but continuing to harp on Bush's shortcomings hwen he is only in office for 12 more days is not helpful.

The only reason to keep rehashing the past is to improve the future by not repeating the same mistakes, not to keep beating the dead horse.

I'm with you scooty.:wave:

I'm beginning to think that when people on this board throw around the phrase "the mess Bush is leaving" it is really ust code for "I don't like Bush."

Yes, I have checked out the approval ratings. They were stupendous during his first term. I don't base my opinion on that of others.

Bush's brief but high approval rating declined throughout his presidency, ending in an historic low (23% I believe). If you think a president's approval rating of his performance is not relevant, then why do you want to hear anyone's opinions on his performance?

maybe you should tell us how you think President Bush has performed over the last 8 years. that would be much more to the point. since there are those who do approve of his performance, it would be much more interesting to hear and understand that viewpoint. seriously.

of course we all come from so many different perspectives. there is no "code". just fact, opinion, philosophy, and exchange of ideas.
 
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Teresa

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ok, i'll explain it like i'm a third grader. New Orleans is far from finished with it's recovery, if it will ever be finished. Although I cannot directly blame bush for causing the hurricane, his response was weak(at best) and as soon as the outcry died down, he was done with it. how about we send NOLA a couple of billion? Mess. resolution: open

9/11 - more incompetence. did he have knowledge of an impending attack against US soil? who knows? Did he respond like any other human you know when given the info? no. The whole thing is riddled with questions and no answers coming soon from the bush camp. This is still an open issue for many New Yorkers and anyone who lost a loved one. He's done with this too, I'm pretty sure. Mess. Resolution: are you kidding me?

War- Which one would you like me to address?? Let's go with a simple one; War on terror. Seriously? We're no more safe then we were on 9/10. Our borders and control points are a joke. DHS and all it's power/control/whatever you want to call it have only made it more of an irritation to fly commercial. Mess. Resolution: please.

These are only three, the financial crisis, our standing in the eyes of the rest of the world, no child left behind, torture......... bush and his business partners had a great 8 years. what about the rest of us? he will be costing us money for as long as he, and his wife, and his children are alive. he can't disappear fast enough. yes, we can spread the blame around as far and wide as we care to. but guess who was at the head of the table? the decider

excellent nutshell answer. thanks. :wave:
 

full time

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Oct 25, 2006
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What some on this board know about New Orleans wouldn't fill a thimble. A couple of billion - man, get some fresh air.
 

Miss Kitty

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Approval rating for Congress is also at an all time low. It takes two (actually three) to Tango in our government. The American people have had enough and that is one reason Mr. Obama will be sworn in on January 20, 2009. If I was a member of Congress, I'd be dancing fast if I was up for reelection. IJS.
 

Teresa

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Approval rating for Congress is also at an all time low. It takes two (actually three) to Tango in our government. The American people have had enough and that is one reason Mr. Obama will be sworn in on January 20, 2009. If I was a member of Congress, I'd be dancing fast if I was up for reelection. IJS.

good point.

leadership. leadership. leadership. its what we are desperately waiting for.
 
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