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full time

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Oct 25, 2006
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So people who put their efforts into planning the rebuilding of a city that the government allegedly wanted to save deserve to be mocked, in addition to everything else?

Oh, forget it.

Be the change you want to see in the world. Or biatch about it. Your choice.

When they are profiteering .... yes. If they truly volunteered and can't understand why their new urbanism plans for NO were not implemented and they given credit for their foresightedness - sorry, it's the NO way. The right people apparently were not given their cut.
 
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John R

needs to get out more
Dec 31, 2005
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Conflictinator
When they are profiteering .... yes. If they truly volunteered and can't understand why their new urbanism plans for NO were not implemented and they given credit for their foresightedness - sorry, it's the NO way. The right people apparently were not given their cut.

so says the self proclaimed 'i know all about NO, everyone else knows nothing' mouthpiece of NO, who throws around raciel slurs under the guise of cute doublespeak.
 

Winnie

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Jul 22, 2008
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so says the self proclaimed 'i know all about NO, everyone else knows nothing' mouthpiece of NO, who throws around raciel slurs under the guise of cute doublespeak.

What are you talking about?
 

full time

Beach Fanatic
Oct 25, 2006
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so says the self proclaimed 'i know all about NO, everyone else knows nothing' mouthpiece of NO, who throws around raciel slurs under the guise of cute doublespeak.


That's "racial" not "raciel" and the I'm not a ...... aw forget it John ... whatever dude - I'll call you when I need a sound system.
 

John R

needs to get out more
Dec 31, 2005
6,780
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Conflictinator
sorry, full time, didn't spell check. you made the claims of superior knowledge that outstrips everyone else's with regards to NO, and have been asked directly what qualifies you to make such claims. you still haven't offered a direct answer.

swgb brought up a not so old thread where you also left questions unanswered. i suppose you won't understand how i find your posts a bit hollow.

winnie, you asked and i gave my answers. sorry your thread has taken such a turn.
 

full time

Beach Fanatic
Oct 25, 2006
726
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i suppose you won't understand how i find your posts a bit hollow.

I suppose not all of us can be blessed with the intellect necessary to offer up a few billion dollars of taxpayer money to the Nagin administration.
 

MattChrist Live

Beach Lover
Jan 16, 2008
205
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The Bay
First, let me say that I have just come back from a wonderful dinner at a New Orleans Style restaurant in Gainesville celebrating our big win last night. I was in a joyous mood, because, you know, we're national champions (again :D), and I get to see some improv comedy later tonight. And then, wanting to kill time before the comedy show, I got on the computer and was somehow drawn, as if in a trance, straight to this thread.

And now my joy is gone.

Winnie, to give you the most direct of an answer as I can: The reason why so many people believe President-Elect Obama is inheriting a "mess" is because most humans have short term memories; like memories lasting up to 8 years. We had a budget surplus once, now we don't. We were relatively safe (at least we thought we were) and now we're not. When we looked into the international mirror, we saw a kind and just nation that had the world's best interest in mind, I still see this reflection, but unfortunately most of the international community does not.

Obama is not inheriting a "mess," he's inheriting a catastrophic quandary that has no simple or direct solutions-God help him. President Bush didn't cause all of our problems, nor could he have prevented many of them, but there has been a massive leadership vacuum since our Invasion of Iraq. The reason why you felt secure, confident, and glad that George W. Bush was elected President on September 11th, 2001, was because our President showed up and led that day, and the few days that followed.

Fulltime, I can't really take your word on your preeminence over all things New Orleans since the only thing I know about you is your posting name "fulltime." But while giving money to NO may not seem like the prudent or fiscally responsible thing to do in the aftermath of a calamitous hurricane, it does shore up any lingering physiological wounds. Imagine that instead of President Bush making a heroic return to Ground Zero shortly after the 9/11 attacks, he simply circled over the city a few days afterward in AF1, and then made a brief speech a month later promising federal help and attention, and then not keeping that full promise. I don't think Winnie would have been entirely comforted by the President then. She would have probably preferred Al Gore and a speech on the dangers of CF's in the atmosphere.

There are times for state solutions, and there are times for national solutions. We're in a crisis right now, and it's something that one state won't be able to solve on its own, nor is it a crisis that demands a revolution, nor a crisis where we can afford to simply sit back and let things go the way they've gone all in the name of a conservative ideology, rather than the realism of pragmatism. We're going need big government and we're going to need someone to hold our hand for a while. We'll be lucky if we get to mock the nobel winning economists today who ascribe to the keysnian view, and then get to decide whether continue down the perilous path of apathy once again.

Folks, we have 10 days, 13 hours, and four minutes to figure out who's to blame. But after that, this young person is going to demand that for my generation's sake, we begin to look for the solutions on how we can help our neighbors, and ultimately ourselves.

And I'm late for the Improv.
 

full time

Beach Fanatic
Oct 25, 2006
726
90
First, let me say that I have just come back from a wonderful dinner at a New Orleans Style restaurant in Gainesville celebrating our big win last night. I was in a joyous mood, because, you know, we're national champions (again :D), and I get to see some improv comedy later tonight. And then, wanting to kill time before the comedy show, I got on the computer and was somehow drawn, as if in a trance, straight to this thread.

And now my joy is gone.

Winnie, to give you the most direct of an answer as I can: The reason why so many people believe President-Elect Obama is inheriting a "mess" is because most humans have short term memories; like memories lasting up to 8 years. We had a budget surplus once, now we don't. We were relatively safe (at least we thought we were) and now we're not. When we looked into the international mirror, we saw a kind and just nation that had the world's best interest in mind, I still see this reflection, but unfortunately most of the international community does not.

Obama is not inheriting a "mess," he's inheriting a catastrophic quandary that has no simple or direct solutions-God help him. President Bush didn't cause all of our problems, nor could he have prevented many of them, but there has been a massive leadership vacuum since our Invasion of Iraq. The reason why you felt secure, confident, and glad that George W. Bush was elected President on September 11th, 2001, was because our President showed up and led that day, and the few days that followed.

Fulltime, I can't really take your word on your preeminence over all things New Orleans since the only thing I know about you is your posting name "fulltime." But while giving money to NO may not seem like the prudent or fiscally responsible thing to do in the aftermath of a calamitous hurricane, it does shore up any lingering physiological wounds. Imagine that instead of President Bush making a heroic return to Ground Zero shortly after the 9/11 attacks, he simply circled over the city a few days afterward in AF1, and then made a brief speech a month later promising federal help and attention, and then not keeping that full promise. I don't think Winnie would have been entirely comforted by the President then. She would have probably preferred Al Gore and a speech on the dangers of CF's in the atmosphere.

There are times for state solutions, and there are times for national solutions. We're in a crisis right now, and it's something that one state won't be able to solve on its own, nor is it a crisis that demands a revolution, nor a crisis where we can afford to simply sit back and let things go the way they've gone all in the name of a conservative ideology, rather than the realism of pragmatism. We're going need big government and we're going to need someone to hold our hand for a while. We'll be lucky if we get to mock the nobel winning economists today who ascribe to the keysnian view, and then get to decide whether continue down the perilous path of apathy once again.

Folks, we have 10 days, 13 hours, and four minutes to figure out who's to blame. But after that, this young person is going to demand that for my generation's sake, we begin to look for the solutions on how we can help our neighbors, and ultimately ourselves.

And I'm late for the Improv.

You seem like a nice enoungh kid and I enjoy your articles - leave NO to the big boys who actually have a clue.
 

poppy

Banned
Sep 10, 2008
2,854
928
Miramar Beach
Try to understand why do-gooders in New Orleans fail.


Why don't you stop beating around the bush and step up and state your position. I have stated mine very clearly and would appreciate you doing likewise. You have a position on this subject but seem reluctant to present it. I feel as if I'm playing charades with a child and the game is getting tiresome.
 
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