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TooFarTampa

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I just can't believe there are still public schools in this state -- heck, in this country -- that permit paddling.

The preschool I have sent my younger two children to is amazing, and I always hold them up as a great example. They use timeouts, high expectations for behavior, and a firm commitment to consistent routine and standards and the results are a thing of beauty.

I will never forget the time I stopped by a toddler class (18 months-2 yrs) and was talking to a teacher during the kids' naptime. One kid lying on his cot popped his head up from across the room and looked at the teacher like he wanted up; she gave him a firm look and a wave of her hand and he immediately put his head down and went back to his nap. This child was under 2 years old. It is possible!

At home we employ the same techniques, but of course we are less than perfect and sometimes it is hard to be consistent, but they work well for us almost all the time. :D Very rarely do we spank (as in a quick thwack on the butt) -- and we do it much, much less than we did earlier in our parenting experience. Frankly we have much better skills now, and benefited from some outside help when our oldest had some developmental issues years ago. It is amazing what you can learn from professionals. Teachers are professionals. Why in the world are they permitted to paddle? I am so glad that the ones jdarg talked to are embarrassed by the idea.
 

DD

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I got licked one time for saying that to a teacher.

I don't doubt it. Probably hit a little too close to home. :roll:

I just can't believe there are still public schools in this state -- heck, in this country -- that permit paddling.

The preschool I have sent my younger two children to is amazing, and I always hold them up as a great example. They use timeouts, high expectations for behavior, and a firm commitment to consistent routine and standards and the results are a thing of beauty.

I will never forget the time I stopped by a toddler class (18 months-2 yrs) and was talking to a teacher during the kids' naptime. One kid lying on his cot popped his head up from across the room and looked at the teacher like he wanted up; she gave him a firm look and a wave of her hand and he immediately put his head down and went back to his nap. This child was under 2 years old. It is possible!

At home we employ the same techniques, but of course we are less than perfect and sometimes it is hard to be consistent, but they work well for us almost all the time. :D Very rarely do we spank (as in a quick thwack on the butt) -- and we do it much, much less than we did earlier in our parenting experience. Frankly we have much better skills now, and benefited from some outside help when our oldest had some developmental issues years ago. It is amazing what you can learn from professionals. Teachers are professionals. Why in the world are they permitted to paddle? I am so glad that the ones jdarg talked to are embarrassed by the idea.

This brought to mind why I don't like spanking/paddling.
When I was in high school, I worked at a day care center. Back then, I was considered to be a "teacher" --even at my young age--15-18. I loved those kids. Most of them, anyway. There were a few that tested my patience on a daily basis--but I digress. There was this one very young boy-named Joey that was probably about 4 when this happened. One day, one of the other "teachers"--an old bag about the age of 55:D-got furious with Joey for not sitting down to watch TV when she told him to. She did tell him several times, but none of the kids were sitting down. She grabbed the paddle and whacked him on the butt several times--really hard. He was screaming and she just kept hitting him. She broke the paddle!!! Finally, I said "STOP" and she just looked at me like I was her next victim if I didn't STFU. I didn't look, but I was pretty sure he was bruised from the experience--in more ways than one. When his mom came to pick him up that day, I walked her out to the car and explained what had happened. Lord knows she would have figured something did when she put him in the tub that night. (I didn't think he would tell her--he was VERY shy). Anyway, she was furious and marched right back in and insisited the "teacher" be fired. She was. I checked over my shoulder for days after that--just sure that she was gunning for me--the old hag.
 

TooFarTampa

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I don't doubt it. Probably hit a little too close to home. :roll:



This brought to mind why I don't like spanking/paddling.
When I was in high school, I worked at a day care center. Back then, I was considered to be a "teacher" --even at my young age--15-18. I loved those kids. Most of them, anyway. There were a few that tested my patience on a daily basis--but I digress. There was this one very young boy-named Joey that was probably about 4 when this happened. One day, one of the other "teachers"--an old bag about the age of 55:D-got furious with Joey for not sitting down to watch TV when she told him to. She did tell him several times, but none of the kids were sitting down. She grabbed the paddle and whacked him on the butt several times--really hard. He was screaming and she just kept hitting him. She broke the paddle!!! Finally, I said "STOP" and she just looked at me like I was her next victim if I didn't STFU. I didn't look, but I was pretty sure he was bruised from the experience--in more ways than one. When his mom came to pick him up that day, I walked her out to the car and explained what had happened. Lord knows she would have figured something did when she put him in the tub that night. (I didn't think he would tell her--he was VERY shy). Anyway, she was furious and marched right back in and insisited the "teacher" be fired. She was. I checked over my shoulder for days after that--just sure that she was gunning for me--the old hag.

Wow! Good for you DD. I am so glad those days are over ... mostly at least. So much wrong about that whole scene.
 

Bobby J

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I don't doubt it. Probably hit a little too close to home. :roll:



This brought to mind why I don't like spanking/paddling.
When I was in high school, I worked at a day care center. Back then, I was considered to be a "teacher" --even at my young age--15-18. I loved those kids. Most of them, anyway. There were a few that tested my patience on a daily basis--but I digress. There was this one very young boy-named Joey that was probably about 4 when this happened. One day, one of the other "teachers"--an old bag about the age of 55:D-got furious with Joey for not sitting down to watch TV when she told him to. She did tell him several times, but none of the kids were sitting down. She grabbed the paddle and whacked him on the butt several times--really hard. He was screaming and she just kept hitting him. She broke the paddle!!! Finally, I said "STOP" and she just looked at me like I was her next victim if I didn't STFU. I didn't look, but I was pretty sure he was bruised from the experience--in more ways than one. When his mom came to pick him up that day, I walked her out to the car and explained what had happened. Lord knows she would have figured something did when she put him in the tub that night. (I didn't think he would tell her--he was VERY shy). Anyway, she was furious and marched right back in and insisited the "teacher" be fired. She was. I checked over my shoulder for days after that--just sure that she was gunning for me--the old hag.

That seems to be the problem with spanking or paddling or striking anyone. You should never hit anyone or anything when you are angry. I know a few teachers that crossed the line. I must honestly say I am not for corporal punishment because of the anger issue but I am certain many teenagers need a hard, solid oak paddle with holes drilled in it on their arse. Just not sure who should do it....:D
 

DD

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Wow! Good for you DD. I am so glad those days are over ... mostly at least. So much wrong about that whole scene.

No kidding, TFT. I was never sure if I hadn't said anything if she would have been reprimanded by the owner, who was there when it happened, but didn't see it--or if she would have just let it go.

That seems to be the problem with spanking or paddling or striking anyone. You should never hit anyone or anything when you are angry. I know a few teachers that crossed the line. I must honestly say I am not for corporal punishment because of the anger issue but I am certain many teenagers need a hard, solid oak paddle with holes drilled in it on their arse. Just not sure who should do it....:D

Anger/striking...not a good combo.
 

TooFarTampa

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That seems to be the problem with spanking or paddling or striking anyone. You should never hit anyone or anything when you are angry. I know a few teachers that crossed the line. I must honestly say I am not for corporal punishment because of the anger issue but I am certain many teenagers need a hard, solid oak paddle with holes drilled in it on their arse. Just not sure who should do it....:D

Taking away the cell phone has always worked on our high school aged babysitter. :rotfl: Her parents would take it away when she refused to clean her room. (I love them.) You can also cut them off from texting, right? :funn: Talk about corporal punishment!!
 

NoHall

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I'm at a private school, but I'm going to chime in anyway. (Hope nobody faints.) One of our administrators was dismissed recently over a paddling issue. I knew that this man (who's a complete bonehead) had paddled a couple of students last year with the parent's permission, but this year he skipped that step. When the superintendent got wind of it, he wisely called the Dept. of Family & Children's Services and the police himself.

Paddling a teenager is ridiculous, in my opinion. As physical punishment, it's useless--the boys hit each other harder than a paddling every day in the hall. It may embarrass a student to the degree that he won't behave in a way that may warrant future paddlings, but it will probably just make him angry.

Paddling is way too variable. My father liked to remind me and my brother that he got his last spanking when he was 18 for whacking his brother with a cast. My parents spanked my brother when he was little because it worked. They stopped spanking me when I was about 18 months old because it just made all of us madder.

That said, "corporeal punishment" needs to be redefined.

However, I've found at school that physical consequences (which could be defined as "corporeal punishment") are rather effective with some students. For instance, my students know that if they are tardy, whether it is 2 seconds or 10 minutes, they have to do push ups. The first week of the semester it's 5 push ups, the 2nd week it's 10, etc. By the last week of the semester it's something like 105. I rarely have a student who is tardy more than twice, and almost none of them show up late at the end of the semester. It is a simple, physical reminder that there are inconvenient consequences for being late, and the principal behind having them do the push ups is similar to a smoker with a rubber band around the wrist.

I bounced my shoe off a student's head this year, but he deserved it. :lol: (Yes, it was all in fun.)

This whole discussion, to me, misses the mark. I find more and more that I'm having to find ways to discipline students because they have no discipline in their lives. Parents don't teach them to be respectful, to act appropriately, to control their words and actions. My students learn quickly in my class that I don't have time to teach them basic courtesy, and if they don't learn quickly they are not allowed to waste my class time learning it. I don't use push ups for that--they either learn it from being sent out of the class to the principal's office or they learn it from peer pressure--by the end of the school year I could usually shoot a look at a student and have half the class telling him to stop acting like a jerk and shut up so we can go on. Much more effective to hear it from classmates than hearing it from the old lady at the front of the room.
 

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I just can't believe there are still public schools in this state -- heck, in this country -- that permit paddling.

I was shocked the first time the permission slip came home for paddling from Bay Elementary. :eek:

We didn't have paddling in school when I was growing up. Seems very backwards to have it now 30 years later.
 

Bobby J

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I'm at a private school, but I'm going to chime in anyway. (Hope nobody faints.) One of our administrators was dismissed recently over a paddling issue. I knew that this man (who's a complete bonehead) had paddled a couple of students last year with the parent's permission, but this year he skipped that step. When the superintendent got wind of it, he wisely called the Dept. of Family & Children's Services and the police himself.

Paddling a teenager is ridiculous, in my opinion. As physical punishment, it's useless--the boys hit each other harder than a paddling every day in the hall. It may embarrass a student to the degree that he won't behave in a way that may warrant future paddlings, but it will probably just make him angry.

Paddling is way too variable. My father liked to remind me and my brother that he got his last spanking when he was 18 for whacking his brother with a cast. My parents spanked my brother when he was little because it worked. They stopped spanking me when I was about 18 months old because it just made all of us madder.

That said, "corporeal punishment" needs to be redefined.

However, I've found at school that physical consequences (which could be defined as "corporeal punishment") are rather effective with some students. For instance, my students know that if they are tardy, whether it is 2 seconds or 10 minutes, they have to do push ups. The first week of the semester it's 5 push ups, the 2nd week it's 10, etc. By the last week of the semester it's something like 105. I rarely have a student who is tardy more than twice, and almost none of them show up late at the end of the semester. It is a simple, physical reminder that there are inconvenient consequences for being late, and the principal behind having them do the push ups is similar to a smoker with a rubber band around the wrist.

I bounced my shoe off a student's head this year, but he deserved it. :lol: (Yes, it was all in fun.)

This whole discussion, to me, misses the mark. I find more and more that I'm having to find ways to discipline students because they have no discipline in their lives. Parents don't teach them to be respectful, to act appropriately, to control their words and actions. My students learn quickly in my class that I don't have time to teach them basic courtesy, and if they don't learn quickly they are not allowed to waste my class time learning it. I don't use push ups for that--they either learn it from being sent out of the class to the principal's office or they learn it from peer pressure--by the end of the school year I could usually shoot a look at a student and have half the class telling him to stop acting like a jerk and shut up so we can go on. Much more effective to hear it from classmates than hearing it from the old lady at the front of the room.

Great post but if you knew some of the stuff we use to do around here you would want to whip my arse! Promise. Looking back, I would deserve every bit of it.
 
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