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Minnie

Beach Fanatic
Dec 30, 2006
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Exactly. The knee jerk Wal-Mart haters live in an alternate universe where markets don't change and we patronize the butcher, blacksmith and cobbler in three different locations. Getting hot and bothered about Wal-Mart's business model is so 1998. It is far better to accept the reality that Wal-Mart and other big boxes are ubiquitous and more productivity will be realized working with that reality rather than investing energy into the lost cause of what consumers have rejected.

Maybe you caught Food Inc. at MountainFilm this year. Here is a fascinating, enlightening bit from the film. Gary Hirshberg, CEO of Stonyfield Farm gets it. All the cut and paste Wal-Mart vilification posted above is "preaching to the convinced" as he puts it. Watch, learn, adapt and embrace change!
YouTube- Food Inc Part 7

Thank you so much for sharing this enlightened view. It is like a breath of fresh air. I was not lucky enough to come to MountainFlim this year but did watch all of your link, and hope others will take 10 minutes of their time to do so also.
 

DpBluSea

Beach Comber
Mar 20, 2009
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Food Inc

Exactly. The knee jerk Wal-Mart haters live in an alternate universe where markets don't change and we patronize the butcher, blacksmith and cobbler in three different locations. Getting hot and bothered about Wal-Mart's business model is so 1998. It is far better to accept the reality that Wal-Mart and other big boxes are ubiquitous and more productivity will be realized working with that reality rather than investing energy into the lost cause of what consumers have rejected.

Maybe you caught Food Inc. at MountainFilm this year. Here is a fascinating, enlightening bit from the film. Gary Hirshberg, CEO of Stonyfield Farm gets it. All the cut and paste Wal-Mart vilification posted above is "preaching to the convinced" as he puts it. Watch, learn, adapt and embrace change!
YouTube- Food Inc Part 7

This was an excellent film, if you missed it at mountainfilm, you can get it from NetFlix. Highly recommended. VERY worthwhile.
 

Gidget

Beach Fanatic
May 27, 2009
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Blue Mtn Beach!!
Exactly. The knee jerk Wal-Mart haters live in an alternate universe where markets don't change and we patronize the butcher, blacksmith and cobbler in three different locations. Getting hot and bothered about Wal-Mart's business model is so 1998. It is far better to accept the reality that Wal-Mart and other big boxes are ubiquitous and more productivity will be realized working with that reality rather than investing energy into the lost cause of what consumers have rejected.

Maybe you caught Food Inc. at MountainFilm this year. Here is a fascinating, enlightening bit from the film. Gary Hirshberg, CEO of Stonyfield Farm gets it. All the cut and paste Wal-Mart vilification posted above is "preaching to the convinced" as he puts it. Watch, learn, adapt and embrace change!
YouTube- Food Inc Part 7



Thanks for posting this video segment. :clap: A page or so over I brought up this very point after watching Food Inc.

By Gidget: But in the future I see more and more of this type of food coming to Walmart. Even in the film Food Inc they showed a producer of organic yogurt selling his wares to Walmart - among much ridicule from many of his peers I might add. But he sees this as a way to bring better products to all at a REASONABLE price which is the bottom line for MANY.
He seems like a great guy with lots of insight and I really think he is spot on.

Thanks again
G
 

Smiling JOe

SoWal Expert
Nov 18, 2004
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Thanks for making my case for me. The new Wal-mart will be a couple of minutes away from me and I'll be able to pick up, oil, a filter, windshield washer, coolant, you name it. I might save $10.00 on goods and maybe $1.00 on gasoline. I don't see how having the beach nearby would benefit me in this situation.:dunno:

The big part you are forgetting is that if Walmart is getting tax incentives to open in Walton County, that cheaper price is in part due to you not paying as much in county taxes as you would at a store like the Santa Rosa Pharmacy. If the county has less taxes coming in because they discount Walmart's taxes, that means that you and other tax payers will be making up the difference through higher taxes, so essentially, you are paying the taxes one way or another -- through your Walmart purchase, or higher property taxes. Also, the owner of a locally owned store, and its employees are more likely to have money to spend in YOUR store or business, if you buy from them. When you buy from Walmart, Walmart's employees will be spending their money in Bruce, Freeport, Destin, among other places, and the owners and upper corporate management (who make the most of the money from your purchase) will be spending their money in Arkansas, not South Walton, and not YOUR store or business.
 

Smiling JOe

SoWal Expert
Nov 18, 2004
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Who the heck is JOE anyway???

Good question. JOE is actually a stock ticker for The St Joe Company, and they could care less whether measly remaining holdings (comparatively speaking) in South Walton look more like Destin than 30A. They care about one thing -- their stock price. Joe is a spinoff of the Dupont's, and if you read up on your history, you will know the reason we still have inefficient sources of paper and ropes -- it was Dupont's governmental interference so that all of the timber land they had wouldn't be replaced by the highly effecient hemp. Dupont was all about making synthetic ropes, and began releasing the fear papers on hemp and marijuana across the country so that they could remain ineffecient and profitable.

;-) JOE's focus is more in places like Gulf county where they own something like 95% of the land in the entire county.
 

Chandra

Beach Fanatic
Exactly. The knee jerk Wal-Mart haters live in an alternate universe where markets don't change and we patronize the butcher, blacksmith and cobbler in three different locations. Getting hot and bothered about Wal-Mart's business model is so 1998. It is far better to accept the reality that Wal-Mart and other big boxes are ubiquitous and more productivity will be realized working with that reality rather than investing energy into the lost cause of what consumers have rejected.

Maybe you caught Food Inc. at MountainFilm this year. Here is a fascinating, enlightening bit from the film. Gary Hirshberg, CEO of Stonyfield Farm gets it. All the cut and paste Wal-Mart vilification posted above is "preaching to the convinced" as he puts it. Watch, learn, adapt and embrace change!
YouTube- Food Inc Part 7

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that Susan h. may have mentioned William McDonough about 6 pages back and his extraordinary TED talks video about redesigning the world around us. This is exactly where we need to apply our passion for change instead trying to stop the locomotive coming at us. The world is shifting indeed as evidenced in the also previously mentioned NY Times article about Wal-Mart by Jared Diamond. These corporations can be brought to the light to see that even they can change for the better.

Although I accept that change is inevitable and the majority tends to sway that change, what I see is the diminishing of choices for others, like the choice to live in a community free from big box stores, or the choice to live in an area where the night sky shines bright, or the choice to shop with locally owned businesses (assuming the Wal-Mart will indeed put many of these businesses under).
 

danhall

Beach Lover
Jul 14, 2006
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danhallstudio.com
Exactly. The knee jerk Wal-Mart haters live in an alternate universe where markets don't change and we patronize the butcher, blacksmith and cobbler in three different locations. Getting hot and bothered about Wal-Mart's business model is so 1998. It is far better to accept the reality that Wal-Mart and other big boxes are ubiquitous and more productivity will be realized working with that reality rather than investing energy into the lost cause of what consumers have rejected.

Thirty years of watching what happened to my hometown after Wal-Martification would hardly constitute "knee-jerk".

If I live in an alternate universe, then you are simply a cheerleader for the status quo, as you have prove countless times on this board. Wal-Mart is indeed starting to move to a greener model, but do you imagine that they would have come to that conclusion of their own volition, without the criticism of the past decade and/or negative public relations?

I am as poor as the day is long, but I refuse to put my money into that system, and have not for over a decade. It requires me on this extreme end, and you (apologist) on the other to average out this society. Thanks for your comments, though...

I especially enjoy that you think of patronizing small, independently owned businesses that specialize in a few things as being a "lost cause". I don't want to get everything under the same roof, because that would have to be one huge roof. Do you think it is wise to give so much of our money to a small handful of corporations?
 
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bentley williams

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Feb 24, 2005
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Got this in an email from Anita Page, South Walton Community Council Executive Director.


I do not normally send you the agenda for the Technical Review Committee but there are several items in which members of the community have shown an interest.

The meeting starts at 8:30 AM this Wednesday, Dec. 16, and is at the courthouse in South Walton.

Walmart. There has been a lot of discussion in the community about the proposed Walmart. For those interested in learning more about Walmart, there will be two hearings that you can attend. The first hearing is before the Technical Review Committee tomorrow, Wednesday, at 8:30 AM at the SW courthouse. The TRC will review the entire project. The second opportunity will be at the Design Review Board in January. I’ll get that date to you. The DRB will have a limited review as discussed below. As it stands right now, Walmart will NOT be heard before the Planning Commission or before the County Commissioners. Final approval of the Walmart development will be made in-house at the staff level. See comment at the end of this email for further explanation. ....


[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]Explanation of why Walmart will be decided in-house.

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial]Walmart is a part of a St. Joe development called “Topsail West PUD”. “PUD” stands for “Planned Unit Development”. If it were not part of the PUD and were a stand-alone development, it would be a “Major” development. The purpose of a PUD is to “provide flexible land use and design regulations and to permit planned diversification and integration of uses and structures...”. Once a development decides to proceed as a PUD, the overall project is submitted to the Planning Commission and the County Commissioners for “conceptual approval”. Conceptual approval involves some detail but not the detail required for approval of a Major Development. For example, the conceptual plan would identify a 79,000 square foot building as a shopping center but would not necessarily provide any further information about the type of “shopping center”. St. Joe received conceptual approval.

More details for each development within the overall project are provided later. That approval phase is called the “Detailed PUD Plan Approval”. According to county staff, in the past, the Planning Directors have interpreted the Land Development Code (LDC) to allow future development in the detail phase of the approved PUD to be treated as “Minor” developments even if they meet the definition of a Major Development. A commercial development of less than 5,000 sq.ft. is defined as a “Minor” development. Walmart is just over 78,000 sq.ft. The significance of a “minor” vs. “major” development is this: A Minor development request is reviewed and acted up by Staff. A Major Development must go before the Planning Commission for a recommendation and the County Commissioners for final approval. The latter two are public hearings. Walmart is technically a “Major” development. Because it is part of a conceptually approved PUD, however, it will be reviewed and acted upon in house in lieu of being submitted to the Planning Commission and Board of County Commissioners for approval.

This issue of a large development being approved as a Minor development has once again highlighted some problems with PUD developments. Major developments are required to go through a public hearing before the Planning Commission and the Board of County Commissioners because they have more potential to impact the community than a smaller development. Therefore, opportunity is provided for public input and elected officials render the final decision. Concerns about the PUD designation and procedure have been discussed by the Planning Commission several times. The PUD language, however, has not been clarified. A central issue, for example, is what is the function and what are the criteria necessary to allow a development to proceed as a PUD as opposed to a Master Planned community built in phases? The latter is clearly identified as a Major Development.

Also, there are inconsistencies in the LDC relating to the PUD approval procedure. For example, Section 10.02.01 of the Land Development Code gives the County Commissioners the authority for final approval of a Major Development. Under the definitions in the LDC, Walmart, for example, is clearly a Major development. The procedure of designating development within each phase of a PUD as a “Minor” development, even though it would be defined in the Land Development Code as a Major Development would seem to be in contradiction of the authority of the County Commissioners. Further confusion is contained in Section 2.06.02 of the Land Development Code. That section requires staff to review the submitted “Detailed PUD Plan” as a “Major” development. This inconsistency needs to be resolved as well as other issues identified in Planning Commission meetings. (e.g., need for a minimum acreage for a PUD)

It is my understanding that the PUD overlay provisions will be reviewed upon completion of the Comprehensive Plan amendment process. At that time, county staff will be required to review and amend the Land Development Code as necessary. That will be the time to clarify and address the PUD issues.

In the meantime, Walmart will be reviewed in accordance with the procedures currently in place. The importance is that if the public wants more info, they need to attend the TRC and/or the DRB hearing or review the file at the Courthouse Annex and provide comments directly to the planning staff.

Walmart will be returning to the Design Review Board for approval of their compliance with the U.S. 98 Scenic Corridor standards. They asked that their request for a rather substantial deviation from the required building sign size limit be continued to give them an opportunity to re-assess their building signage requirements. The DRB will be reviewing their site plan in terms of site development (e.g., lighting), architecture, landscaping and signage. The DRB is a public meeting. The next meeting will be in January.[/FONT]
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