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jodiFL

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Jul 28, 2007
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I don't know how big the lot is but if it is used as parking it would also have to have storm water, and other material. Would one lot be large enough to make a difference?
Probably not. It sits directly west of the bar entrance, is about 10-15 feet higher than the surrounding area (meaning it is on top of one of the last dunes in Grayton) and the run off would be ridiculous. IMO.... not an option for parking. Personally... I would like to see it stay just like it is ....EMPTY. But whos to say that the county wouldnt approve yet another monster house to contribute even MORE to the traffic problems.
 
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miznotebook

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Jul 8, 2009
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One-way Hotz Ave.?

There's been a recommendation to make Hotz Avenue in Grayton Beach one-way, and the county commissioners are scheduled to look at that proposal at their regular meeting on Feb. 9. The meeting starts at 4 p.m. at the South Walton Annex and will be preceded at 3 p.m. by a workshop on the county's solid waste strategic plan. This link should take you to information on the county Web site about the Hotz Avenue proposal, which is on the agenda for 4:05 p.m.: www.co.walton.fl.us/DocumentView.aspx?DID=1893.
Also, later in the meeting there is to be discussion on the possibility of drafting an ordinance to modify the "Leave No Trace" program.
 

Matt J

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May 9, 2007
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It's about time. Miznotebook if you search there was a workshop held by Commissioner Jones (Cecilia) with Sheriff Mike Adkinson and the planning commission about this. At that time two local business men were placed on a committee to determine parking alternatives in Grayton Beach. Once of their recommendations at the meeting was to mow down state forest land for additional parking.
 

miznotebook

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Jul 8, 2009
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Stone's throw from Inlet Bch
It's about time. Miznotebook if you search there was a workshop held by Commissioner Jones (Cecilia) with Sheriff Mike Adkinson and the planning commission about this. At that time two local business men were placed on a committee to determine parking alternatives in Grayton Beach. Once of their recommendations at the meeting was to mow down state forest land for additional parking.

I knew there had been some workshops on the congestion and parking issue in Grayton Beach. Thanks for the info regarding the state forest. It's surprising to me that something so extreme would be suggested. My purpose in posting the information on Hotz Avenue was just to let people in the community know that this would be discussed and that a decision might take place.
 

Matt J

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May 9, 2007
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I knew there had been some workshops on the congestion and parking issue in Grayton Beach. Thanks for the info regarding the state forest. It's surprising to me that something so extreme would be suggested. My purpose in posting the information on Hotz Avenue was just to let people in the community know that this would be discussed and that a decision might take place.

It was suggested by a local developer that has been eyeing that particular piece of state land for some time. He also used the old term "public private partnership" which is code for free land for private business.
 

Yzarctoo

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Mar 6, 2009
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....If Hotz went one way....all traffic, boats with trailers, delivery trucks, all residents from those streets (upper Defuniak Street, Hotz, Banefil, Garfield etc...would have to use the very narrow and very tight Lydia Street to get out of Grayton and back onto Defuniak. We already have a traffic problem on Defuniak with incoming cars and now the county wants to spread this traffic around so that this flow of cars will be all over Grayton. The solution is not to turn Hotz into a one way...but to make one side of the Hotz "downtown area" only have parallel parking. (Yes, giving up some parking spots.) As a resident of Grayton, the traffic that is causing the parking problem is due to the restaurants who pull in lots of traffic. Why should the residents of the community, many who were here before the restaurants, have to give up their neighborhood so that these businesses can make more money? As it is now, folks in our area are always "fighting off" cars parking on their private property or even blocking their driveways. Sometimes a business out grows their area, sometimes a business needs to provide off site parking. When this happens, it should be the bussiness who provides the solution, not the surrounding neighborhood community. The idea of using state land for a parking lots is stupid! No business, no matter how great their food is, is that important! I am hoping that it will be standing room only at this meeting on Tuesday and that we can put a stop to this plan of a one way Hotz. In hindsight, perhaps the county zoning board should have listen to the Grayton residents when they spoke up before Shorty's opened up. We were already having parking problems in that area but the COUNTY didn't see that as a problem. They ignored us! The Fire Truck situation last July finally made the COUNTY realize that there was a problem, a problem they helped to make. Hopefully our residents, our neighborhood, and our way of life here in Grayton will win out and they will finally listen to us.
 

Andy A

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Feb 28, 2007
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While I understand and, for the most part, agree with what Yazarctoo, is saying, I am sure most locals are like me. Hotz is already a one way street. I never turn around and try to go West on it. Around the block and out.
 

Yzarctoo

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Mar 6, 2009
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a "ring around the rosey" situation

While I understand and, for the most part, agree with what Yazarctoo, is saying, I am sure most locals are like me. Hotz is already a one way street. I never turn around and try to go West on it. Around the block and out.

What if... you live on Defuniak just above Lydia Street. It is 6PM and you need to go out. You pull out of your driveway, (you have to head out via Hotz.} You steer your car through the maze of vehicles parked every which way on Hotz. You then have to wait on the trucks and boats trailers that are leaving the beach after a day of fishing via the Garfield beach entry. You get behind a rather large boat where the driver is having a hard time making the left turn on to the sharp corner on Lydia. He has to back up and try again. As he finally makes the turn, he meets oncoming traffic on Lydia. Someone has to give. The road is not wide enough. The car being smaller decides to retreat. He has to wait to back out onto Defuniak because there are incoming cars coming in, the car finally backs out. ( Before he backs out he had to make a decision, does he head out toward Hotz so he can do the maze in front of the Red Bar and Shorty's or does he head back down Defuniak make a quick U turn in someone's driveway and try his turn again at Lydia. Now remember he was just headed home after a day of work. He lives on the corner of Garfield and Lydia. Think he is happy?) Meanwhile The driver with the boat continues down Lydia. At the corner, he has to wait on traffic because in order to leave Lydia without taking out a fence or a bush or the tree he has to swing out onto DeFuniak. He needs both lanes. You , the original person in my story, make the turn on Defuniak. You see your house across the way even wave at your grand daughter sitting on the porch. You are now on your way. it is only 6:30...aren't you glad that you gave yourself a 30 minute start. AND Grayton RESIDENTS are suppose to be happy about this situation!!!Another HOTZ situation...you bring your company to eat at the Red Bar..all parking spots are filled...so you keep circling the area joining others who are looking for a parking place on Hotz too. After all you don't want to diasappoint your company....so what happens to Lydia...it becomes a section in the "ring around the rosey" parade of cars. How great for the neighborhood. How great for the folks on Lydia. After you do the circle for 2 or 3 times you opt to park right in that driveway, it looks like that house might be a rental, maybe no one is renting it this week or may the owners aren't in town. You and your company at this point are willing to take a chance. You park on private property.When you said you were a local...you didn't say your were a resident of Grayton. So perhaps the Hotz situation wouldn't be a daily problem for you...but for Grayton residents it will be. Holidays, Spring Break and Summer Vacations and Snowbird Season...we will have to deal with this year round.
 

Smiling JOe

SoWal Expert
Nov 18, 2004
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so many problems to solve. With the future of limiting the number of beach permits on Grayton Beach, expect tons more parking problems in Grayton, even if someone builds a small parking lot. Interestingly, it seems that the same person who pushed the removing of the vehicles from Grayton Beach is the same person who wants to build the parking lot (pay per use, I believe).

Prisoners just widened the parking area along Hotz two weeks ago, and that gives a little more room, but not when you park a 20ft long Chevy in a space meant for a 13 ft long vehicle. Multiple that times 2 for the other side of the street, and you have traffic problems.
 
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