Obamacare Vote Proving Fatal to Dems

[AndrewG]

That's exactly why I don't support rationed care. You will have to wait much much longer than before. You'll be herded like animals.

Two weeks ago my Aunt was in Tuscany, Italy and got sick. When she walked in to the clinic there were at least 80 people in line all quite sick, hacking up a lung. As soon as she checked in and they realized she had insurance and was paying they moved her literally to the front of the line. It was a major eye opener for her.

It will also prove fatal to many Americans to not have adequate and affordable heath care insurance in the years to come.

 

[Alicia Leonard]

That's exactly why I don't support rationed care. You will have to wait much much longer than before. You'll be herded like animals.

Two weeks ago my Aunt was in Tuscany, Italy and got sick. When she walked in to the clinic there were at least 80 people in line all quite sick, hacking up a lung. As soon as she checked in and they realized she had insurance and was paying they moved her literally to the front of the line. It was a major eye opener for her.

Those who don't have health care will not be allowed in the line much less to argue for rationed care.

I called a few months back to schedule a physical. I couldn't get an appointment without insurance, even though I had the cash to pay upfront at two different doctor's offices. Those who have neither the cash or the insurance are just out of luck. I finally found a specialist for my issue that accepts only cash.

 

[Matt J]

That's exactly why I don't support rationed care. You will have to wait much much longer than before. You'll be herded like animals.

Two weeks ago my Aunt was in Tuscany, Italy and got sick. When she walked in to the clinic there were at least 80 people in line all quite sick, hacking up a lung. As soon as she checked in and they realized she had insurance and was paying they moved her literally to the front of the line. It was a major eye opener for her.

I'm sure someone making $30k a year and supporting a family will take heed before their next jaunt to Tuscany.

 

[30ashopper]

Those who don't have health care will not be allowed in the line much less to argue for rationed care.

I called a few months back to schedule a physical. I couldn't get an appointment without insurance, even though I had the cash to pay upfront at two different doctor's offices. Those who have neither the cash or the insurance are just out of luck. I finally found a specialist for my issue that accepts only cash.

That's completely messed up. The insurance and health industry brought all this legislation down upon themselves through policies like this. What's ironic is that in order to get the bill passed, the federal government had offer them a bribe in the form of a national mandate. In the end, I'm not sure which side walked away in better shape - the consumer or the insurance companies.

 

[Elephant Child]

Those who don't have health care will not be allowed in the line much less to argue for rationed care.

I called a few months back to schedule a physical. I couldn't get an appointment without insurance, even though I had the cash to pay upfront at two different doctor's offices. Those who have neither the cash or the insurance are just out of luck. I finally found a specialist for my issue that accepts only cash.

Hard to belief no cash...my dentist takes cash along with insurance...the walk in clinics take cash, my eye doctor takes cash...in fact if I was a doctor a cash paying customer would be great...no paperwork to fill out and submit, and resubmit, and no arm twisting to take less for my services because of insurance.

 

[Andy A]

I've said this before but I will continue to reiterate it. Whether its Tuscany or England, obviously many supporting universal health care have never lived under it. I have. I don't want it in the manner it has been passed. We don't have any idea of all of the ramifications of the bill. If you think care will not be "rationed" you have another think coming. Sure, they'll call it something else but us elderly and the ones with costly disease and health issues such as cancer will be the one's who will suffer. I hope I am wrong but I would much rather see our system correct its present ills such as tort reform, insuring those with pre-existing conditions and not allowing cancellation of one's policy once they become sick. The present attempt at reformed healtcare is a monstrocity according to everything I have read or observed.

 

[Matt J]

I've said this before but I will continue to reiterate it. Whether its Tuscany or England, obviously many supporting universal health care have never lived under it. I have. I don't want it in the manner it has been passed. We don't have any idea of all of the ramifications of the bill. If you think care will not be "rationed" you have another think coming. Sure, they'll call it something else but us elderly and the ones with costly disease and health issues such as cancer will be the one's who will suffer. I hope I am wrong but I would much rather see our system correct its present ills such as tort reform, insuring those with pre-existing conditions and not allowing cancellation of one's policy once they become sick. The present attempt at reformed healtcare is a monstrocity according to everything I have read or observed.

Well you got two out of three.

 

[Bob]

yeah, medicare is a *****...everyone's angry. look no further than those complaining as the source of the problem.

 

[futurebeachbum]

That's completely messed up. The insurance and health industry brought all this legislation down upon themselves through policies like this. What's ironic is that in order to get the bill passed, the federal government had offer them a bribe in the form of a national mandate. In the end, I'm not sure which side walked away in better shape - the consumer or the insurance companies.

What makes you so sure that this legislation was 'brought down' on the insurance or pharma industries? They are going to make a boatload of money out of this.

The bill did nothing to get rid of the ridiculous pharma bargaining restraints put on the federal government by the Medicare Drug Plan. It also did nothing to tackle torte reform. Beyond that, it gave the insurance companies plenty of time to discontinue things that won't be as profitable in the future (like children-only policies and pre-existing conditions.)

I would expect that the bulk of the bill was drafted by and for industry insiders. We know that no one in Congress bothered to even skim it before voting for it.

 

[Matt J]

I'd like to note that the legislation was printed on paper, not carved in stone. I think rather than a knee jerk reaction to repeal it completely Congress should work to make it better. Before we get partisan I'd be fine with repeal if there were a better plan on the table, but I'd prefer we try to fix the nose we got before cutting it off.