dhimmitude

[poppy]

Why am I not surprised. Many of the posters on this forum have become downright...I can't find a word strong enough, if anyone points out anything that is not supportive of their position or in disagreement with it. If you are so naive as to think there are some things in an over 2000 page bill signed into law, then you deserve everything you will eventually get. Whether this particular function of the law is true or not, it really doesn't matter. There are other parts that will matter and most of us probably will not like them.
I have met Lynnie at one of the soirees. She is a very vibrant, intelligent and caring person. That is more than I can say about some of the others posting here.

Yes, it does matter because the truth matters. If you have any facts that support or refute a claim made by a poster please present them. Stating that there are parts most of us will not like makes no more sense than me stating there are parts most of us will like. The general idea of every citizen being able receive basic healthcare is appealing to me but I realize the bill is not perfect and most likely never will be but as snopes points out there will be plenty of challenges to the bill before the mandate provision begins in 2014. Forwarding an e-mail with a false and inflammatory message doesn't add anything useful to the discussion.

 

[Mango]

I am surprised at the vitriol directed at Lynnie. She's never been outright rude or flaming to anyone on this Board. The Board reacted the same way during the Presidential Primaries and once again right before the election of Obama. I'll be happy when this all over.

I got a similar email from a dear friend this weekend. Because it was forwarded to this person by a reputable source, I think it was forwarded without full regard to it's contents. It even had a link to snopes which basically said, yes, this has been posed by Senator, but no one supports her and doesn't have a chance in hell of every being passed. I was really surprised because this person is as smart as whip, but it just demonstrated to me that anyone could get caught with their pants down on these issues-- or just the frustration people are feeling with the state of affairs in this Country, that they are venting with misinformation because they don't have time tio fully vet the issue.

I had no idea what Dhimmitude was, now I do, and even have a better understanding of tude. so, thanks, I learned something. I did know that if a Muslim collected any monies from insurance, that they were only allowed to take the portion of it that they needed; ie: repairs needed after a car accident, but, I guess you won't read about that anywhere. So, while many people are perpetrating fraud against insurance companies, a Muslim's religion would prohibit them from even thinking about it.

 

[Andy A]

Yes, it does matter because the truth matters. If you have any facts that support or refute a claim made by a poster please present them. Stating that there are parts most of us will not like makes no more sense than me stating there are parts most of us will like. The general idea of every citizen being able receive basic healthcare is appealing to me but I realize the bill is not perfect and most likely never will be but as snopes points out there will be plenty of challenges to the bill before the mandate provision begins in 2014. Forwarding an e-mail with a false and inflammatory message doesn't add anything useful to the discussion.

It is not my intention or job to educate you or anyone else regarding the healthcare bill. It is there, all 2000+ pages of it for all to read. I have read pieces of it. I don't like the idea of it and that's my perogative just as yours is to adore it. Poppy, I am sure you have enough common sense to divide generalization in any statement from pure unadulterated fact. You perceive a "false and inflammatory message" and that is your right. It is also Lynnie's right to perceive the message in a different light. Once again, it appears to me that because one disagrees and posts something one considers to be not useful, one is castigated by those on the left. It would appear that "truth" is often in the eye of the beholder.

 

[beachmouse]

I actually worked on the Hill in the 90s for a Republican congressman who would be shocked to see what happened to his party. (Sadly he died in the 90s of the same kind of brain cancer that killed Teddy Kennedy) Still know some people who work in that same office who stayed on with his successor, (current holder of the seat has decided he's tired of the Hill, didn't run for re-election) and who, to a person, are not even going to apply for positions with the new Member if a Republican wins because they loathe the candidate (a Tea Party dandy) and what he stands for.

And these are people who have worked for that solidly Republican office for almost 20 years in some cases, which says something pretty amazing about the office and their loyalty to the old guard if you know how the Hill works.

 

[poppy]

It is not my intention or job to educate you or anyone else regarding the healthcare bill. It is there, all 2000+ pages of it for all to read. I have read pieces of it. I don't like the idea of it and that's my perogative just as yours is to adore it. Poppy, I am sure you have enough common sense to divide generalization in any statement from pure unadulterated fact. You perceive a "false and inflammatory message" and that is your right. It is also Lynnie's right to perceive the message in a different light. Once again, it appears to me that because one disagrees and posts something one considers to be not useful, one is castigated by those on the left. It would appear that "truth" is often in the eye of the beholder.

Andy I give up, You're going to have a knee jerk reaction to any poster who disagrees in the slightest way with your viewpoint.

 

[Andy A]

Andy I give up, You're going to have a knee jerk reaction to any poster who disagrees in the slightest way with your viewpoint.

Absolutely!You must have misread my post. I suggest you read it again and put it in the context for which I intended and if unable to do so, I am sorry I'm so indescernable.

 

[LuciferSam]

What gets me is that Snopes even says the word "dhimmitude" is not used in the bill, so right off the bat you know that whoever came up with the idea for this viral chain email spam is doing some fabricating. Interesting that the neologism has a sort of Middle Eastern look and sound to it, surely to appeal to the Islamophobic. Wikipedia defines neologism as a "newly coined word or phrase that may be in the process of entering common use." Clearly this is just more swift-boating from the right.

 

[scooterbug44]

Wow, I missed this thread somehow. :shock:

So I saw Lynnie's post, went to Snopes (everyone should have it bookmarked IMO so they can check all emails), and typed in "dhimmitude."

And it immediately brings up the email she posted and says it's a crock.

The bill doesn't specifically exempt certain religious groups and it certainly does not include the word dhimmitude.

The only reason it is labeled as "mixed" on Snopes is because the only truthful parts of the email are that there is an exemption provision in the bill for "religious conscience" and Muslims do sometimes forbid insurance because of its uncertainly and charging interest.

HOWEVER, they do make exceptions for insurance required by law (like car insurance), and they do not opt out of Social Security (like the Amish) which is the standard the bill uses to determine religious conscience.

 

[LuciferSam]

This raises an interesting question. Who sends out more fictitious propaganda email, the left or the right.? I would say the right by far. I've never received one of these from anyone on the left. I think it's because most would be embarrassed and even ashamed if they spread easily debunked information. This doesn't seem to matter to conservatives for some reason. I wonder why not.

 

[Matt J]

So now we've moved on from a totally fake email to playing a victim, and finally wanting to discuss a fake email for it's merits?

BTW, the word itself isn't some ancient secret handshake against Christians or any other religion and for all intense purposes isn't even a real word:

Dhimmitude - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia