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Bob Wells

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Jul 25, 2008
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Jensky you know we have a problem in attitude between the people of North and South Walton. You know we have a problem between urban and rural all across this Country. I am no more a troll than anyone who posts in this forum and that includes you. You brought up a subject that is totally unrelated to the fishing pier. That said yes I do see and feel a socio-economic divide between North and South Walton. There are a lot of snarky remarks about people in North Walton coming from this forum. I think South Walton is misdirected in the blame for the problems with over-development. The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of greed and unfortunately greed exists in all humans not just certain groups. The only solution against greed is for all of us to be more unified in purpose. If I am a troll it is to help us be aware that we need each other. Maybe I am wrong but I feel like there are no good reasons that we can't all work together to solve problems no matter where you live, your political affiliation, your economic class, your religion, your ideology etc. We all want the same things. My opinion is that a fishing pier may help us mix a little better. I believe it is a great opportunity. Yes, there are infrastructure and cost issues that must be figured out first but you have to be open minded about it and not use the same old arguments about eyesore and sea turtles and just don't need it. We don't need any more development really but do you think that is going to stop us humans? We need each other to change each other...
What is your opinion on customary use?
 

Jenksy

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Oct 25, 2012
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Putnal You're way off base if you think poor people are going to drive 45 minutes and pay to to fish. Did you know we have poor folks right here in SoWal?

A pier would bring more tourists and make more money for the county which would end up in the wrong pockets. We don't need more tourists we need diversity in our economy. A pier won't help anyone after the next hurricane or oil spill tanks tourism.

Your time would be better spent working at a food bank or lobbying for affordable housing for our local community. How about require all your pinestraw buyers pledge to pay their workers a living wage? SoWal has plenty of people struggling for their next meal.

Your logic is so bad you can only be a troll.

If you lived here you would know that the animosity between North and South has always been about good Ole boys making dumb decisions to show beach people who had control. Pigs at the trough of South Walton

For the last few years the good Ole boys were hoodwinked by developers in SoWal who gamed the system to gain control. They want to continue the old narrative of North vs South as part of the con. You with them or just a "useful idiot" ?
 

mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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Jensky, have you ever thought of why civility is important? Why not try and be a little respectful to people? I get that you have probably been down here longer and seen about all the bad development you can stomach but you are wrong if you don't think the good ole boy network of greed does not exist in South Walton and probably even yourself. I don't think you are naïve but I do think you are shackled by an agenda whatever it may be. If you and I are of the same gender then we both suffer from selfishness and privilege. At least I am aware. You seem to be very angry at something. You project that anger on to people you don't even know...at all. You need to believe you have a higher authority in your judgements of people. Listen, we can disagree and still get along. As for as tourism goes that train has already left the station and neither you or I can do anything about it UNLESS we work together. The solutions are not in blame or shame but rather good old fashion hard work and unity. That is what this county needs and that is what this country needs. I don't always say or do the right things but I do not believe in living in the past so why don't we try something different like, what can I do to help with the problems that over development is causing? If we talk about some of those things at a community fish fry or at a coffee shop do you think you could ever get to the pros and cons of a community fishing pier? It is all about respect and being open minded. You have certainly taught me that respect is not always easy...

Bob Wells, I believe that this is now in the hands of our judicial system because of human character issues. Greed. Disrespect. Inability to communicate. I am dead in the middle of the issue of customary use. I understand both sides. I wish there could have been a compromise before we got to this point. Now it really does not matter what we think because a Judge is going to decide for us and we are in the mercy of the court. I believe in our laws and our constitution but I want to believe in people doing the right thing whether that is respecting each other and our resources or sharing our resources. I hope this answers your question.
 

Bob Wells

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Jul 25, 2008
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Jensky, have you ever thought of why civility is important? Why not try and be a little respectful to people? I get that you have probably been down here longer and seen about all the bad development you can stomach but you are wrong if you don't think the good ole boy network of greed does not exist in South Walton and probably even yourself. I don't think you are naïve but I do think you are shackled by an agenda whatever it may be. If you and I are of the same gender then we both suffer from selfishness and privilege. At least I am aware. You seem to be very angry at something. You project that anger on to people you don't even know...at all. You need to believe you have a higher authority in your judgements of people. Listen, we can disagree and still get along. As for as tourism goes that train has already left the station and neither you or I can do anything about it UNLESS we work together. The solutions are not in blame or shame but rather good old fashion hard work and unity. That is what this county needs and that is what this country needs. I don't always say or do the right things but I do not believe in living in the past so why don't we try something different like, what can I do to help with the problems that over development is causing? If we talk about some of those things at a community fish fry or at a coffee shop do you think you could ever get to the pros and cons of a community fishing pier? It is all about respect and being open minded. You have certainly taught me that respect is not always easy...

Bob Wells, I believe that this is now in the hands of our judicial system because of human character issues. Greed. Disrespect. Inability to communicate. I am dead in the middle of the issue of customary use. I understand both sides. I wish there could have been a compromise before we got to this point. Now it really does not matter what we think because a Judge is going to decide for us and we are in the mercy of the court. I believe in our laws and our constitution but I want to believe in people doing the right thing whether that is respecting each other and our resources or sharing our resources. I hope this answers your question.
All though I agree the courts will decide now, I am pro customary use, but I think you haven't looked at the socioeconomic impact of it because if you had you would be firmly on the side of those who can't afford beachfront property.
 

mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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I respect and agree with customary use. I respect and agree that we have property rights. If I get to have a say then I say the beaches are for all of us and that if I purchase property that borders a beach I must share it with respectful and civil people. If a beach goer is not respectful and civil then I do not have to share it with those people. I think a court should side with customary use for respectful and civil people and the court should side with the property owner with people who are not civil and respectful.
 

mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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Jensky, I thought up a new country joke for your comment on "useful idiot".

If you find yalself ALWAYS a votin down party lines, well you just might be a "useful idiot"...
 

mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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Congratulations to all those who voted NO to the fishing pier as the commission decided to table the discussion of a fishing pier for now as the vote was about 50% either way. This web survey was probably not the best way to know for sure how the people of the entire county feel about a fishing pier but I do agree with the commission that there are bigger fish to fry at the moment :). All of you who voted NO can rest at ease that us rednecks will not invade your off shore beach areas on a fishing pier anytime soon. Chalk up another victory in the marginalization and prejudice against us fishing pole rednecks who simply want to catch an offshore fish! I think you know where I am going with my message so I will move on until another issue of hypocrisy (bias and prejudices by those who say they are progressives) rises up again...
 

bob bob

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Mar 29, 2017
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Congratulations to all those who voted NO to the fishing pier as the commission decided to table the discussion of a fishing pier for now as the vote was about 50% either way. This web survey was probably not the best way to know for sure how the people of the entire county feel about a fishing pier but I do agree with the commission that there are bigger fish to fry at the moment :). All of you who voted NO can rest at ease that us rednecks will not invade your off shore beach areas on a fishing pier anytime soon. Chalk up another victory in the marginalization and prejudice against us fishing pole rednecks who simply want to catch an offshore fish! I think you know where I am going with my message so I will move on until another issue of hypocrisy (bias and prejudices by those who say they are progressives) rises up again...
Where?
 

ShallowsNole

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Jun 22, 2005
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There is free fishing at the new pier / ramps at 331 bridge, and you can catch fish on the beach free, including Cobia. We do have about 29% of children in Walton County needing food assistance. There are better ways to deal with that than building a pier for tourists, which would be 98% of users I'm guessing. That said, I'm not against it. Just not sure it's needed the one at 331 is terrific.
Yes, but I've yet to see anyone catch pompano in the Bay.
 
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