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[Lou Deman]

Lou, I wish it were not true but you are proving your hypocrisy with every post. I sincerely wish we could have a civil conversation but it sounds like you prefer the "woodshed" approach to politics. If we do not find our civility on both sides I suspect you will be right and there will be chaos. I also think Matt is right and you can not have it both ways. I would love the opportunity to have civil and decent conversations but I really do not think you want that. Maybe go thrash something behind the woodshed and get that out of your system and try again because I will always have hope for common sense.

I think we have technology and the potential for bipartisan policy to help those problems at the border. I do not happen to believe a wall will fix the problem short or long term and I certainly do no want my tax dollars going toward an effective symbol of American stupidity. You can still go over and under a wall. Yes I know trump created a large budget for the wall and it must be used to "fill in the gaps" but I hope when that money is spent no more of my tax dollars will go toward a wall. I know building walls is your specialty but it is not mine

What hypocrisy of mine am I proving?
What was Matt right about? What am I trying to have both ways?

How is a wall a symbol of American stupidity?
Does every other country with a wall have the same symbol of stupidity?

The best part about physical structures is that they work
Why have a lock on your doors?
Why build fences around something you want to protect?
These concepts seem very basic, am I missing something?

 

[Matt J]

What hypocrisy of mine am I proving?
What was Matt right about? What am I trying to have both ways?

How is a wall a symbol of American stupidity?
Does every other country with a wall have the same symbol of stupidity?

The best part about physical structures is that they work
Why have a lock on your doors?
Why build fences around something you want to protect?
These concepts seem very basic, am I missing something?

Scale

 

[Lou Deman]

Scale

PD

 

[Matt J]

Matt
Have you ever been right?
You have no idea what you are talking about at all yet again
I work side by side with my workers
I do not exploit anyone as they have to have workmens comp and general liability insurance to work for me. A check gets written from my company to theirs every week.
What basic labor regulations am I not following

I have helped more foreigners then you have ever met. If I have committed a crime please call me in
Heres my info
Lou Deman owner of Deman Construction LLC
CGC 1261315
5365 East County Highway 30A suite 106
Santa Rosa Beach Florida 32459

Let me know if you need anything else
The kids in question makes great money (I'll bet he makes more then you)

Let me know when you would like to meet up and discuss whatever you need clarification of

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

You are a clown

So you've mentioned "meeting up" several times. Not gonna happen. Feel free to communicate here, but your thinly veiled threats are old. Make a point or move on.

You are exploiting them by not hiring them straight on. Let me guess you're helping them save money by not paying W2 wages? You "let them be independent" by having their own companies, but you exploit again by still treating them like W2 employees. You get all the labor without the legitimate extra cost.

I don't really care how bad your feelings get hurt, but you're only proving my point when you respond with insults and intimidation

 

[Matt J]

#Pro

 

[mputnal]

What hypocrisy of mine am I proving?
What was Matt right about? What am I trying to have both ways?

How is a wall a symbol of American stupidity?
Does every other country with a wall have the same symbol of stupidity?

The best part about physical structures is that they work
Why have a lock on your doors?
Why build fences around something you want to protect?
These concepts seem very basic, am I missing something?

You want and need workers and don't care that they are illegal except for the politics.

Walls do not last forever, are not effective and would be constantly rebuilding and spending tax dollars instead of using technology and bipartisan policy making common sense.

If you want to build a fence fine with me but you know those cost a lot of money too when this problem could be solved with common sense and technology. A fence might be a compromise but we both know it would be ineffective.

Yes you don't see the hypocrisy and that is what you are missing. We all have a little hypocrisy so I am no different but lets just try to get on the same page with common sense.

 

[Lou Deman]

So you've mentioned "meeting up" several times. Not gonna happen. Feel free to communicate here, but your thinly veiled threats are old. Make a point or move on.

You are exploiting them by not hiring them straight on. Let me guess you're helping them save money by not paying W2 wages? You "let them be independent" by having their own companies, but you exploit again by still treating them like W2 employees. You get all the labor without the legitimate extra cost.

I don't really care how bad your feelings get hurt, but you're only proving my point when you respond with insults and intimidation

How do you hire someone with no social security number?
You are a typical clown, you know it all until its time to actually know something
It is way less expensive to bring them in house but there is no means to legitimately do so, you are wrong yet again.

 

[Lou Deman]

You want and need workers and don't care that they are illegal except for the politics.

Walls do not last forever, are not effective and would be constantly rebuilding and spending tax dollars instead of using technology and bipartisan policy making common sense.

If you want to build a fence fine with me but you know those cost a lot of money too when this problem could be solved with common sense and technology. A fence might be a compromise but we both know it would be ineffective.

Yes you don't see the hypocrisy and that is what you are missing. We all have a little hypocrisy so I am no different but lets just try to get on the same page with common sense.

I only see people in 2 ways, good people and bad people, politics have nothing to do with it

Your opinion on walls is your opinion, I'm pretty sure walls last a fairly long time

What technology is going to stop people, in any kind of real measure, from crossing the border?
Once again how do they keep people out of the White House? Technology and policy?

So answer the very simple and very direct question, what hypocrisy am I proving? Don't dance, answer, use your common sense

 

[Lou Deman]

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#Pro

Exactly 27 years and going strong. Trying to retire before I'm 52 #Thanks

 

[mputnal]

I only see people in 2 ways, good people and bad people, politics have nothing to do with it

Your opinion on walls is your opinion, I'm pretty sure walls last a fairly long time

What technology is going to stop people, in any kind of real measure, from crossing the border?
Once again how do they keep people out of the White House? Technology and policy?

So answer the very simple and very direct question, what hypocrisy am I proving? Don't dance, answer, use your common sense

You prefer the labor of illegals than training American workers. You then blame on politics instead of yourself which is part of the problem. You are not the only one but still part of the problem. What makes this worse is that you then try to justify it.

If you own a smart phone I know you understand what technology can do.

Human beings are not perfect. You can try to label a person good or bad but we might want to leave that up to a higher power