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[Lou Deman]

He'll either be very precise and legalistic or vague, loose, and sloppy, whichever he thinks supports his own emotion-driven position at the moment.

I can assure you I don't have any emotion on the subject. If possible please check out the transcript and let me know where Trumps quid pro quo is. Lets see how far you need to leap to try to make a point. Good luck

 

[Leader of the Banned]

Not utopia, but it sure sounds like a plan!

 

[Leader of the Banned]

LOTB
I see your point but without a moral question on right or wrong why would they? I am going to have to play this one through in my head. To follow the 10th anything not in the constitution is deferred to the states so maybe. Food for thought

Whether abortion is a moral question of right and wrong is debatable.

 

[Lou Deman]

Please define pork, both domestically and internationally? Would the tax affect investment income as well as corporations doing business both inside and outside the US as well as foreign corporations doing business here? When you say flat tax, you are saying no deductions, correct? It appears you answered a ton of questions about my questions. The 10th Amendment to the Constitution was brought up. So your perspective to the abortion issue is it is a States right? Back in the 80s when President Reagan was in office he was withholding Federal Highway Funding from Florida because we weren't adequately enforcing the 55 mile an hour speed limit, do you believe that was a 10th amendment issue? There were those back in the days prior to the Civil War who believed slavery was a States rights issue, if history is to be believed. There are some who believe that today, although they are happy that slavery has ended, your thoughts? Please, this ain't a trap on my end but am curious about the boundaries.

Bob
I see your all knotted up at 3 in the AM
I'll try to break down your comment

If you want the definition of pork then look it up, if you want my short version opinion it is the extra considerations that politicians throw in bills to buy their vote.

I have not thought this through 100% but a flat tax would be a fair tax. The flat tax would strictly handle income, income on investments would only be taxed on the gains with some kind of consideration of the length of the holding. I have not thought it all the way through as pertains to moneys made overseas as that would be much more complicated.

Yes when I say flat tax there would be no deductions, there would have to be considerations for charitable contributions and the like.

I always try to answer as many questions as I can

The 10th amendment is quite clear on what gets handled at each level. Yes abortion is a state issue

If Regan was holding federal funds then it was a federal issue and he would have the right to do so, if someone were holding state funds it would be a state issue and should be handled at the state level.

To your last point, I agree some people thought slavery was a state issue. I believe this was the reason the south fought to secede from the Union. Personally I am glad that slavery ended. I'm not really sure what you are asking me here.

Bob
Feel free to set a trap for me if you wish. I think you can see that if I don't know something or if I don't have an opinion I will tell you. I can only give my opinion on items put in front of me. I am here to try to figure out what makes people on the left think the way they do, for this knowledge I will answer anything asked of me so that you guys can do the same. I have no hidden agenda and clearly I am not going to change anyones point of view. I do not like the personal attacks of which I have also taken part in. My main fear is 'what if I'm wrong' in how I look at things. If I am then I need to change how I view and process info.

 

[Lou Deman]

Whether abortion is a moral question of right and wrong is debatable.

LOTB
I agree
At the end of the day it comes down to when you think that unborn child has rights which ties into when you think life begins
My personal opinion based on having kids is that is a living personal in the mother and it needs to be protected as it cannot protect itself.
The complication, for me, is if the health of the mother is in question or if the pregnacy is do to rape or incest
What are your thoughts?

 

[mputnal]

Explain what you mean by his abuse of power so we are on the same page. I am against abuse of power

Pelosi park is giving $200 million federal taxpayer dollars for a local park that shoud be funded at the local level, that is wrong. Trump declaring bankruptcy hurt his ability to borrow future personal monies and forfeiting whatever collateral he borrowed against, this is a personal matter. These 2 issues are not even closely related in any way

I'm not granted a right to a vasectomy (or any medical procedure (more to your point)) by the constitution. If you want abortions to be a constitutional right then they need to amend the constitution, the ten amendment is clear on this. Like I stated earlier I am not anti abortion but I am against killing unborn babies. If possible tell me where you are on this issue on a moral level, when do you think life begins or do you think that unborn person doesn't have a right to life until after it is born. I do not even know my own stance on this, I think it is when there is a heartbeat but I haven't (and to an extent wanted to) research this enough to formulate a ridged opinion yet. If you care, I think abortions should be federally legal in the case of rape and incest

My point is that you are willing to justify wrong behaviors by maga trump and the people who support him (including yourself) and then blame those on the “left” for all our problems. It is hypocrisy 101.

Abuse of power is vindictive use of power. We need checks and balances on power. Insurrections and coup attempts is an abuse of power. Not accepting the results of an election is an abuse of power. Placing restrictions on education is an abuse of power. I am limited on time so will stop here.

If I have a right to privacy in deciding my mental and physical well being so should a woman. We do not have to debate that she is life. That supersedes any other discussion about the right to life.

 

[mputnal]

LOTB
I agree
At the end of the day it comes down to when you think that unborn child has rights which ties into when you think life begins
My personal opinion based on having kids is that is a living personal in the mother and it needs to be protected as it cannot protect itself.
The complication, for me, is if the health of the mother is in question or if the pregnacy is do to rape or incest
What are your thoughts?

Are you against all “killings”? If you are going to use that word you need to have a clear understanding about when life begins and when it should end. You will probably need to consult a higher power.

 

[mputnal]

Explain what you mean by his abuse of power so we are on the same page. I am against abuse of power

Pelosi park is giving $200 million federal taxpayer dollars for a local park that shoud be funded at the local level, that is wrong. Trump declaring bankruptcy hurt his ability to borrow future personal monies and forfeiting whatever collateral he borrowed against, this is a personal matter. These 2 issues are not even closely related in any way

I'm not granted a right to a vasectomy (or any medical procedure (more to your point)) by the constitution. If you want abortions to be a constitutional right then they need to amend the constitution, the ten amendment is clear on this. Like I stated earlier I am not anti abortion but I am against killing unborn babies. If possible tell me where you are on this issue on a moral level, when do you think life begins or do you think that unborn person doesn't have a right to life until after it is born. I do not even know my own stance on this, I think it is when there is a heartbeat but I haven't (and to an extent wanted to) research this enough to formulate a ridged opinion yet. If you care, I think abortions should be federally legal in the case of rape and incest

I think you know the odds in what it takes to change an amendment so that is also a hypocrisy.

 

[Leader of the Banned]

LOTB
I agree
At the end of the day it comes down to when you think that unborn child has rights which ties into when you think life begins
My personal opinion based on having kids is that is a living personal in the mother and it needs to be protected as it cannot protect itself.
The complication, for me, is if the health of the mother is in question or if the pregnacy is do to rape or incest
What are your thoughts?

I'm against forced birth. It's a form of torture.

 

[mputnal]

Explain what you mean by his abuse of power so we are on the same page. I am against abuse of power

Pelosi park is giving $200 million federal taxpayer dollars for a local park that shoud be funded at the local level, that is wrong. Trump declaring bankruptcy hurt his ability to borrow future personal monies and forfeiting whatever collateral he borrowed against, this is a personal matter. These 2 issues are not even closely related in any way

I'm not granted a right to a vasectomy (or any medical procedure (more to your point)) by the constitution. If you want abortions to be a constitutional right then they need to amend the constitution, the ten amendment is clear on this. Like I stated earlier I am not anti abortion but I am against killing unborn babies. If possible tell me where you are on this issue on a moral level, when do you think life begins or do you think that unborn person doesn't have a right to life until after it is born. I do not even know my own stance on this, I think it is when there is a heartbeat but I haven't (and to an extent wanted to) research this enough to formulate a ridged opinion yet. If you care, I think abortions should be federally legal in the case of rape and incest

Are you against all "Parks" or just the one's that the "left" supports. That is also a hypocrisy.

Trump has a lawsuit about misrepresenting the facts of his ability to repay a loan. This was after those multiple bankruptcies. That is how people who abuse power roll? They cheat the system. If someone owes you money and declares for bankruptcy I know it will hurt you. Trump hurts people to get what he wants when he wants it. He would not blink an eye to hurt your or my business. Not accepting how he hurts people and believing he cares about people is a hypocrisy.

When trump coined the phrase "lock her up" for those emails and then took classified and top secret documents to maragogo you justify his behavior again. That is hypocrisy.

Oh but there is even more hypocrisy in your posts but really I got to go now...