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July 20 Coastal News Blog

Resort Real Estate Just Coasting along

Are We There Yet?

After 6 years of interesting growth and decline, do we know where we are? Are we "off-track" or just in another cycle that has taken a lower than usual dip to the south? How you read the answer will depend on the reason for heading to the coast in the first place.

Coastal-Edge perspective on where we are and how we got here...
A roadmap explaining where the coastal resort industry is headed isn't necessary for the locals. These are the individuals who have chosen to migrate to the coast for non-market-related reasons: the sea breeze, morning walks on powder white sand, and remarkable sunsets. These individuals are exactly where they want to be - at the beach. The locals, or end-users, are coastal resort investors who are commited to the community. Their return on investment begins the day they set foot at the beach. But there is another set of individuals who head coastward for an entirely different reason - for the sake of investment.

Clearly, it's still true that investing in coastal resort property is one of the wisest long-term investments one can make, but many individuals invested with high stakes expecting outrageous short-term return. When the market suddenly spiraled out of control it pulled many of those investors down with it.

The Road to Ruin: Wall Street
When the already troubled stock market (decline began shortly after Y2K or 2000) took another deeper, fear induced plunge after 9/11/2001, financially driven investors sought out brick and mortar investments. They were looking for something solid that they knew would stand should the stock market fail. So they headed to the one place where they could invest in their own future - Real estate. Those investors knew little to nothing about real estate, they were stock market "junkies" who needed a new investment fix. What started out as a very wise choice ended up taking the entire country down a long and difficult road.

The Feeding Frenzy
In the beginning, these investors began wisely buying up the most pristine properties, but they soon went back to their old habits. The minute they saw an increase in value, they began to "flip" their coastal and resort property as if it were stock. Buying, selling; buying, selling. Much of the most beautiful and sought after resort markets were being bought up by people who didn't know or care anything about it. The coastal resort market went crazy, and the investors wanted more.

Many "new" developers appeared on the horizon wanting bigger pieces of the pie. They built countless communities for "ghost dwellers" -- those frenzied Wall Street speculators. These speculators would drive up demand by buying entire blocks, 10-20 units, at a time without any intention of living in them; they bought them to "flip" them.


Many developers didn't realize what was happening, they only saw increased demand. They didn't realize that there may only be one end-user for every 10 units they built. They began submitting new plans, new applications for bigger financing and numerous permit requests. The lenders and banks jumped onboard -- BIG TIME. This was the ultimate doom for the industry, but not before the rest of the country came along for the ride. The stock market began to rebound on the tails of a robust real estate market, and everything looked great.

Clarification:
Of course there were, and are the legitimate builders. The true "place makers" and visioneers, but the industry suffered because of the many who just looked toward the immediate bottom line - a familiar Wall Street trend.

Scenario - Katrina.
August to December 2005 started the beginning of the end for the real estate boom. A hurricane blew the real estate industry into a new kind of frenzy -- an old-fashioned Wall Street "sell-off."

After hurricane Katrina, all those "ghost dwellers" or non-committal Wall Street flippers panicked -- as they always do when there's a national crisis. They began to sell off their real estate holdings as if they were penny stocks. They didn't honor contracts; they had no intention of living in those tens of thousands of spec homes and condos. This was all about investment and money. It wasn't that coastal real estate soured or turned bleak, but it was the actions of speculation that cast clouds of uncertainty. It was the speculators who didn't understand the unmistakable value of the coast, and refused to appreciate it for what it has to offer.

The developers were left with useless paper and no cash, and the real consumers who had a dream were left with unmet promises and the banks and lenders were caught with their pants down.

How did this all spread inland?
A boom is a boom. Inland developers saw what was happening on the coast and figured this was just a natural surge. Sadly they were wrong. Million dollar spec homes were now easy to build because the banks had seen so much money being infused into the marketplace, the banks and lenders totally lost their senses.

Conclusion
Real estate needs to be treated as just that REAL estate. REAL buyers, with REAL money, and REAL jobs -- REALity.

Back to the beginning -- Are we there yet? For those who still have dreams of migrating or retiring to warmer climates and balmy sea breezes, hold on to your dreams. Those falsely inflated prices by our bubble-blowing friends on Wall Street have been falling back down to almost reasonable again. On the present course, it wont be long until the cycle returns to a slightly new "normal."

The coast is still beautiful, the sunsets are still just as magnificent and there is definitely a LARGE supply of coastal properties from which to choose.

The true "place makers" and visioneers will continue to plan, invest, build and develop, and Coastal-Edge will continue to provide market intelligence: the key is to "know before you grow."

In the end, it is the opinion of Coastal-Edge that coastal and resort real estate is still just as valuable as before - the breeze is still balmy, the sand still washes between your toes as you walk down the beach and the sun still sets in blankets of gold, orange, red and purple. The coast is more than getting the biggest bang for the buck; it's a wonderful way of life.

Coastal-Edge will continue to monitor the news and keep you up-to-date on the latest.


Below: Chronological look at the Dow and the construction industry



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30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#52
I recently heard of someone purchasing a lot in WaterColor for $65,000 that was in foreclosure.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

It always makes me wonder exactly how doom and gloom some folks are willing to go. The simple fact is that there is no more South Walton coming. We don't get more land every year, but we do get more visitors, full time owners, and investors. Short of a rendering plant in Pt. Washington I don't see anything in the pipeline that is going to make this area less desirable.

It's not so much about the desirability as it is about finding buyers with the credit and income needed to purchase high end real-estate. Monthly gross sales for all of Walton County are currently hovering around 50 million, that average hasn't changed in a year and a half. How long will it be before people again have the money to invest in the real-estate they desire? Those folks - the "evil" rich people - are on the cusp of a major set of tax increases. Government will soon realize their GDP forcasts are grossly under estimated and the corresponding deficits currently being generated to mask over how bad things are are unsustainable. Historically, upper-middle and upper income earners are the ones the government turns to to soften things up. I guess what I'm saying is, this aint over till it's over (and it aint over by a long shot) What affects the future will have on our local RE market are hard to predict, but it doesn't look pretty.
Bobby J avatar
Beach Fanatic
#53
I recently heard of someone purchasing a lot in WaterColor for $65,000 that was in foreclosure.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

It always makes me wonder exactly how doom and gloom some folks are willing to go. The simple fact is that there is no more South Walton coming. We don't get more land every year, but we do get more visitors, full time owners, and investors. Short of a rendering plant in Pt. Washington I don't see anything in the pipeline that is going to make this area less desirable.


Watercolor has always baffled me. This is is the area that tells me I have lived here too long. I believe that $65,000 lot is near the publix. It was actually $69,000. They have had many low sales this year near the publix. One as low as $47,900.00. But.... They have also had 34 vacant land transactions this year. The range has been pretty extreme depending on how close you get to the water. if you want to be within walking distance to the beach in Watercolor you are going to dig very deep. Do not let the publix sales confuse you. On another note, may not be a bad spot to build a spec house.

Like I said earlier. Totally different market a mile away. Even in the same neighborhood.
Bobby J avatar
Beach Fanatic
#54
It's not so much about the desirability as it is about finding buyers with the credit and income needed to purchase high end real-estate. .

I think there are more then you realize. My earlier point is once the price hits the right spot these very wealthy people will gobble the property up. Every property. It may still be ugly but every property has a price. They circle like vultures.
Beach Fanatic
#55
Bobby what did those homes in grayton cove sell for? i see one listed for $299k tonight at 8 gulf mark lane. i drove by those a few weeks ago and the yards were grown up 10 feet. plus thats a good 1 mile plus to the beach. scounting the area i'm still seeinfg many homes still for sale that have been on the mkt 1 -2 years.
Smiling JOe avatar
SoWal Expert
#56
I think most sold of those sold well under $300,000, and most sold within two weeks of each other. Six were to be auctioned, but also had a "buy now" price. I had several customers look at the homes, and cannot recall the prices of the ones not in the MLS. The biggest objection from my customers was the lack of parking. The house they liked the most were the smaller homes tucked into the corners, which on a good day had parking for two minis, unless the neighbor's suburban was parked in their driveway. Still, good prices to be within five minute bike ride to the beach at Grayton.
Bobby J avatar
Beach Fanatic
#57
Bobby what did those homes in grayton cove sell for? i see one listed for $299k tonight at 8 gulf mark lane. i drove by those a few weeks ago and the yards were grown up 10 feet. plus thats a good 1 mile plus to the beach. scounting the area i'm still seeinfg many homes still for sale that have been on the mkt 1 -2 years.

The range was $250,000-$289,000. The one on Gulf Mark has been under contract twice. It just came back on the market. It is 5 bedroom but has a weird living area. Very small living. Still a good buy. All the landscape is currently be redone and the pool is back in action. The folks that bought in there have already created a community with the same purpose. They all wanted a beach house and not have to worry about rental numbers. One buyer even flipped one to a friend. We have sold 3 of these and are waiting for the next and last of the foreclosures. The homes were very well built. I think parking was OK especially if you look at the majority of the beach properties down here.
I think Grayton Cove was the best deal going in a long time. One buyer in the hood has taken the ball and is fixing all the problems. Basically, creating the value. Take another look next time you go by. The only problem area at this point are the 4 remaining foreclosures. I think the new buyers are cleaning up those yards as well. The homes all had 9'-10' ceilings, granite, stainless, slate, hickory floors, solid core doors, hot water demand systems, community pool, etc. I used that hood as a barometer if my buyer was real or not. If they did not get that one after showing everything else, I found they were tire kicking. The proof is in the sales. Not only the 5 of the 6 auctions are gone but there were 3 other homes for sale that are sold. 8 homes out of 9 active, now sold. I think with the new added value (pool and yard all maintained) the next and last 4 will be gone in days.

The homes you are seeing that have been on the market for 1-2 years are priced too high.

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Beach Fanatic
#58
JOE reports 80% drop in revenues from re sales. 2008-2009 through 2nd quarter
Beach Fanatic
#59
joes stock is up 120% since march back to $31. wall street could care less wether joe makes a cent right now its such a mania run
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#60
joes stock is up 120% since march back to $31. wall street could care less wether joe makes a cent right now its such a mania run

Maybe it was "the time to buy". :biggrin:
melscuba avatar
Beach Fanatic
#61
joes stock is up 120% since march back to $31. wall street could care less wether joe makes a cent right now its such a mania run

Seems like Wall street is off in lala land. I just don't get it. I'm thinking everyone should brace for another fall????
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#62
Seems like Wall street is off in lala land. I just don't get it. I'm thinking everyone should brace for another fall????

Depends on the size of the fall, remember that the stock market fluctuates and it's not a growth only proposition.
melscuba avatar
Beach Fanatic
#63
Depends on the size of the fall, remember that the stock market fluctuates and it's not a growth only proposition.

You're telling me. We seem to have a knack of picking just the right time for decline... I'm practically an expert. So yes, for us, it's long term only.

On another point. I asked in the spring about buying a lot in Watercolor. The general opinion on the board seemed to be "wait until fall". We've taken that advise and are waiting to see what happens. Is that still the general consensus? (meaning should we wait longer). We've watched lot prices decline a bit since the spring. I'm anxious to see comps once these summer u/c's go through. My husband and I do feel the lots still have some more "adjusting" to do. We're in for the long term, so we won't be crushed if we don't time the bottom exactly right. We just don't want a huge decline after our purchase (naturally). I think one post stated they wouldn't buy a lot in Watercolor for over $120,000.

Any thoughts guys?

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Bobby J avatar
Beach Fanatic
#64
You're telling me. We seem to have a knack of picking just the right time for decline... I'm practically an expert. So yes, for us, it's long term only.

On another point. I asked in the spring about buying a lot in Watercolor. The general opinion on the board seemed to be "wait until fall". We've taken that advise and are waiting to see what happens. Is that still the general consensus? (meaning should we wait longer). We've watched lot prices decline a bit since the spring. I'm anxious to see comps once these summer u/c's go through. My husband and I do feel the lots still have some more "adjusting" to do. We're in for the long term, so we won't be crushed if we don't time the bottom exactly right. We just don't want a huge decline after our purchase (naturally). I think one post stated they wouldn't buy a lot in Watercolor for over $120,000.

Any thoughts guys?

Depends on what part of WC you want to be in.
melscuba avatar
Beach Fanatic
#65
Depends on what part of WC you want to be in.

Well, to be specific... Phase II or III, large enough for a carriage house, preferably with rear access. :D There are actually several that meet our criteria. We are considering full time and so a larger lot is preferable for more privacy. The lots that meet all or most of our requirements are ranging between $217,000 to $310,000. BIG variation. We want to be at the bottom of that range. We don't want to over pay and feel with the number of options currently on the market that we have time to watch and see what happens. I don't want to be on the end that is unrealistic about price drop either. Hence, the question to the boards.
Bobby J avatar
Beach Fanatic
#66
Well, to be specific... Phase II or III, large enough for a carriage house, preferably with rear access. :D There are actually several that meet our criteria. We are considering full time and so a larger lot is preferable for more privacy. The lots that meet all or most of our requirements are ranging between $217,000 to $310,000. BIG variation. We want to be at the bottom of that range. We don't want to over pay and feel with the number of options currently on the market that we have time to watch and see what happens. I don't want to be on the end that is unrealistic about price drop either. Hence, the question to the boards.

Sounds like you are on track. Lots of clean up left on Vacant land. The homes are getting gobbled up but as said earlier land will have some time. I also think this will be the same time banks begin to loosen up lending on lots after they get more of their homes cleared out. Fall will be very telling.
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#67
We were with friends on the beach in Seagrove. He met a stock broker on vacation and asked him about some stock he held. They talked for about 15 minutes. I told him in my experience the easiest way to make a stock go up is to sell it. :biggrin:

As to your question of waiting there seems to be three current thoughts on buying:

1.) Do it, it's at the bottom.
2.) Wait for a slight uptick you could still save money.
3.) If you're financing it, buy it now, as there's a good chance interest rates won't stay this low for long.
Bobby J avatar
Beach Fanatic
#68
Another thought on the bottom especially with vacant land:

Sellers are still in the negotiation mode. They know they are going to get beat up on offers. Once the bottom has been declared and we experience an uptick in the vacant land department your negotiation room will lessen.

This could still be awhile but your perfect property may have many others looking at the same piece. My buyer list has not been this large since 2003. They all seem to be looking for the right property. Once we locate it they are ready to write it up. It has actually gotten harder to find property. My point is, you may want to try to negotiate on one of the lots that look a little high to you. You never know. Especially right after summer. I would think we will have some sellers ready to unload at this point.

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30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#69
We were with friends on the beach in Seagrove. He met a stock broker on vacation and asked him about some stock he held. They talked for about 15 minutes. I told him in my experience the easiest way to make a stock go up is to sell it. :biggrin:

As to your question of waiting there seems to be three current thoughts on buying:

1.) Do it, it's at the bottom.
2.) Wait for a slight uptick you could still save money.
3.) If you're financing it, buy it now, as there's a good chance interest rates won't stay this low for long.

What's at bottom, price, sales, or both?

As far as interest rates go, we'll be where we are at for another year or so. Bernanke won't be raising rates any time soon. Beyond that it's hard to say, but we'll know more as we progress forward.
30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#70
You're telling me. We seem to have a knack of picking just the right time for decline... I'm practically an expert. So yes, for us, it's long term only.

On another point. I asked in the spring about buying a lot in Watercolor. The general opinion on the board seemed to be "wait until fall". We've taken that advise and are waiting to see what happens. Is that still the general consensus? (meaning should we wait longer). We've watched lot prices decline a bit since the spring. I'm anxious to see comps once these summer u/c's go through. My husband and I do feel the lots still have some more "adjusting" to do. We're in for the long term, so we won't be crushed if we don't time the bottom exactly right. We just don't want a huge decline after our purchase (naturally). I think one post stated they wouldn't buy a lot in Watercolor for over $120,000.

Any thoughts guys?


68 lots currently listed, about 50% under 210K, records show few lot sales, all of Watersound is averaging about 3-5 new foreclosure filings per month, and spring selling season is officially over. "Now's a great time to buy real-estate in Watersound!" :biggrin:

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30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#71
Sorry, those stats were for watersound, not watercolor -

98 lots currently listed, about 30% under 300K, records show few lot sales, all of Watercolor is averaging about 6 to 8 new foreclosure filings per month, and spring selling season is officially over. "Now's a great time to buy real-estate in Watercolor!"

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melscuba avatar
Beach Fanatic
#72
Sorry, those stats were for watersound, not watercolor -

98 lots currently listed, about 30% under 300K, records show few lot sales, all of Watercolor is averaging about 6 to 8 new foreclosure filings per month, and spring selling season is officially over. "Now's a great time to buy real-estate in Watercolor!"

You and Shelley always make me laugh:D. Where are you getting the number of foreclosure filings per neighborhood? We're just being cautious as to timing because we don't want to see a loss in the land value to a sizable degree.
30ashopper avatar
SoWal Insider
#73
You and Shelley always make me laugh:D. Where are you getting the number of foreclosure filings per neighborhood? We're just being cautious as to timing because we don't want to see a loss in the land value to a sizable degree.


County records, you can search for "Lis Pen" filings over a period of time and specify the neighborhood through the legal details for areas that use a common name.

I'd guess you have plenty of time to pick out the perfect lot at the right price.

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Matt J avatar
SWGB
#74
What's at bottom, price, sales, or both?

As far as interest rates go, we'll be where we are at for another year or so. Bernanke won't be raising rates any time soon. Beyond that it's hard to say, but we'll know more as we progress forward.

Those were just the three scenario's I've heard.

As to your question I believe sales has hit it's bottom and we are moving back up. On price I don't believe we've seen the bottom just yet. I think we've officially seen the bottom on prices when a couple of investment funds sweep through South Walton like a swarm of locusts.
Bobby J avatar
Beach Fanatic
#75
I also think that to get get exactly what you want you may pay a little more then what you want to. If this is a long term plan it should be OK. I think that would be better then buying a property you don't like as much at a discount and watching your dream property be built on by someone else that loved it and was willing to pay a little more.
Beach Fanatic
#76
Bernanke has no say so in were mortgage rates go. There's a very good chance the world tire's of financing the feds endless spending that is bank rupting the country and rates will head much higher

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