Lot of buzz about Freedom of Speech. Have you ever written a letter to the editor to your local newspaper. I did a couple of times and now you can in many places just post online. The interesting thing is they have rules, word count, topic and such. Even Twitter has rules. Some of them you would think are common sense, but no, they have actual written rules. I would bet if you went there and looked at the rules you would say they were pretty sensible. With that said I get a huge kick from folks who are on whatever platform they are on complaining how they or someone they know are being oppressed, that their speech or thoughts or whatever is being infringed upon. The society I live in has become entitled. We believe that whatever comes from us or some other like-minded soul should not be censored, unless they don't agree with you. My society believes that if your opinion doesn't line up with my opinion you are evil and deserving of being bullied and ridiculed. This society we share believes that there is only one right and I am standing on it. I even saw a sign that says vote a certain way because, We might have our faults but the other side is pure evil. Back to where I was going with this. These platforms have rules. The groups I belong to have rules, even those who say we don't have rules. I was banned from a group that had no rules because I was a moderate, didn't lose any sleep. I was not allowed to comment on another group because I would ask questions and post rebuttals to this former politicians stuff. Doesn't make a difference. As for my rules, I have only unfriended 1 person since I have been on any platform and that was because he said he was a racist and I got NO TIME FOR THAT. I may dislike someone for a lot of reasons, but the color of their skin AIN'T EVER GOING TO BE ONE OF THEM. Like I said rules, they have them, we have them. You don't like someone telling you what time to be at work, start your own business and wait for your customer to wonder what time you will show up to do the job they are going to pay you for. Don't like the rules on your social media platforms, start your own and make sure you tell everyone you got no rules.
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Beach Fanatic
Do you believe that our political division affects equal justice? I am trying to make the point of human perspective and how it is affected by sharp political division. We can't even convince people to get the vaccine for the greater good so how are we to convince them that ALL destructive behavior is bad for society? I hear the "lock and load" sentiment way to frequently. People are willing to die for a cause so I say lets give them a reason to live for a better cause. If we lose our sense of respect for each other our democracy is over. I know it seems impossible but it's not...If you're hearing "lock and load" that much, you might want to find another "tribe".
Beach Fanatic
In this case let’s say “neithersideism” . Unrealistic I know. I’m hoping our AI overlords are benevolent or at least indifferent when they arrive. I don’t believe in the present and crumbling structure but what choice is there. I wish I could.
There is something wrong if you can't see a clear difference between what the Democrats and Republicans in power have to offer, and you should be able to choose a side given that at the moment, there is no other option.
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Beach Fanatic
I can see the difference. However I know that choosing sides is not going to end well for us. We will lose our democracy if we do not learn how to connect in an apolitical manner.
Beach Fanatic
If you're hearing "lock and load" that much, you might want to find another "tribe".I am a member of the human tribe. Which tribe do you belong to
SoWal Insider
There is something wrong if you can't see a clear difference between what the Democrats and Republicans in power have to offer, and you should be able to choose a side given that at the moment, there is no other option.Absolutely one hundred percent g** damn right!
As Elie Wiesel famously said,
We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.
Beach Fanatic
Absolutely one hundred percent g** damn right!And when all parties are perceived as, and in fact are, ”Oppressors”? The far left is as odious to me as Trump ever was. And appears to have similar influence over the more moderate.
As Elie Wiesel famously said,
Beach Fanatic
I am a member of the human tribe. Which tribe do you belong toI think you know what I mean.
Beach Fanatic
Absolutely one hundred percent g** damn right!It's often result of an immature pseudo-sophisticated way of thinking.
As Elie Wiesel famously said,
SoWal Insider
And when all parties are perceived as, and in fact are, ”Oppressors”? The far left is as odious to me as Trump ever was. And appears to have similar influence over the more moderate.Serious question: How is the far left "oppressors"? I don't see how being proponents for universal health care, child care, education, increased infrastructure spending, equitable tax reform, climate change mitigation are oppressive? Being against fair and balanced elections and being in favor of open racism is oppressive.
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And when all parties are perceived as, and in fact are, ”Oppressors”? The far left is as odious to me as Trump ever was. And appears to have similar influence over the more moderate.Then be content to sit on the sidelines.
Beach Fanatic
Then be content to sit on the sidelines.I try too and am generally successful. Then occasionally I get drawn in as with this ridiculous debt ceiling nonsense. Finger pointing as if they aren’t all responsible for some arbitrary limit being exceeded. BOTH SIDES.
Serious question: How is the far left : oppressors"? I don't see how being proponents for universal health care, child care, education, increased infra-structure spending, equitable tax reform, climate change mitigation are oppressive? Being against fair and balanced elections is, and being in favor of open racism is oppressive.i had a long answer worthy of mputnal at his most loquacious typed up for you. But it’s exhausting thinking of opening up the same round and round arguments. I’ll take poppaj’s suggestion to go sit on the sidelines. If I were going to respond to anyone here with a serious answer on these both real and made up issues it would be you. I consider you to be the closest to sane and clear thinking of the active posters here on either side.
SoWal Insider
I try too and am generally successful. Then occasionally I get drawn in as with this ridiculous debt ceiling nonsense. Finger pointing as if they aren’t all responsible for some arbitrary limit being exceeded. BOTH SIDES.Yes I too can site examples of BOTH SIDES, but I look at the bigger picture and refuse to allow a group of frightened rich old white men to force minority rule and their religion on this country.
i had a long answer worthy of mputnal at his most loquacious typed up for you. But it’s exhausting thinking of opening up the same round and round arguments. I’ll take poppaj’s suggestion to go sit on the sidelines. If I were going to respond to anyone here with a serious answer on these both real and made up issues it would be you. I consider you to be the closest to sane and clear thinking of the active posters here on either side.
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Beach Fanatic
Serious question: How is the far left "oppressors"? I don't see how being proponents for universal health care, child care, education, increased infrastructure spending, equitable tax reform, climate change mitigation are oppressive? Being against fair and balanced elections and being in favor of open racism is oppressive.Unfortunately both political parties are oppressors and abusers of power. Right now the republican party is ahead in that category and the reason why I vote against. Over spending is a serious problem. Under taxing the wealthy is a serious problem. Elite wealth is a huge inequality and both democrats and republicans are guilty. Democracy will solve these and the many other problems as we debate the issues but we have almost lost our democracy because neither "side" accepts anything from the other side. We are all guilty of this. If we don't stop the nonsense of sides then we can kiss our democracy goodbye forever...
Beach Fanatic
Yes I too can site examples of BOTH SIDES, but I look at the bigger picture and refuse to allow a group of frightened rich old white men to force minority rule and their religion on this country.LOL "Frightened rich old white men"! I think that is the definition of oppression
Listen I understand you clearly but religion is not going anywhere. It is better to make friends not enemies...
Beach Fanatic
I think you know what I mean.I think I better make a hat that says "please don't shoot the messenger" as both "sides" takes aim
SoWal Insider
LOL "Frightened rich old white men"! I think that is the definition of oppressionNot asking it to go anywhere just demanding christofascists not use it to rule the country. Remember that separation of church and state thing?
Listen I understand you clearly but religion is not going anywhere. It is better to make friends not enemies...
Beach Fanatic
Yes I too can site examples of BOTH SIDES, but I look at the bigger picture and refuse to allow a group of frightened rich old white men to force minority rule and their religion on this country.actions speak louder than words. a person can say they can do a lot of things but then in reality they just wind up sounding like a broken record. In fact, a person does this. I’ve seen it. We all have.
Beach Fanatic
Not asking it to go anywhere just demanding christofascists not use it to rule the country. Remember that separation of church and state thing?There is good and bad in religion just like most things. When in our history have we been able to separate church and state? Where in our institutions have we been able to separate church and state? The point I am trying to make is that abuse of power exists (you know those rich old white men) and the only way to manage it is in a strong democracy and strong middle class. We ain't a goin to get there all divided up into groups that hate each other...
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SoWal Insider
There is good and bad in religion just like most things. When in our history have we been able to separate church and state? Where in our institutions have we been able to separate church and state? The point I am trying to make is that abuse of power exists (you know those rich old white men) and the only way to manage it is in a strong democracy and strong middle class. We ain't a goin to get there all divided up into groups that hate each other...“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”
This old white man has no problem with our representatives in government mirroring the ethnic/racial population of the country.
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SoWal Insider
actions speak louder than words. a person can say they can do a lot of things but then in reality they just wind up sounding like a broken record. In fact, a person does this. I’ve seen it. We all have.A broken record indeed so I leave that task to you.
I will concentrate on the important differences.
SoWal Insider
So based on witness interviews of top former Justice Department officials trump directly asked the Justice Department nine times to undermine the election result, and his chief of staff Mark Meadows broke administration policy by pressuring a Justice Department lawyer to investigate claims of election fraud.
I’m tried to “BOTH SIDES” this, but I just couldn’t find anything to support it. Maybe next time.
I’m tried to “BOTH SIDES” this, but I just couldn’t find anything to support it. Maybe next time.
SoWal Insider
Unfortunately both political parties are oppressors and abusers of power. Right now the republican party is ahead in that category and the reason why I vote against. Over spending is a serious problem. Under taxing the wealthy is a serious problem. Elite wealth is a huge inequality and both democrats and republicans are guilty. Democracy will solve these and the many other problems as we debate the issues but we have almost lost our democracy because neither "side" accepts anything from the other side. We are all guilty of this. If we don't stop the nonsense of sides then we can kiss our democracy goodbye forever...You keep filling your word count with these dreams of “ no sides” and that is simply fantasy. There are always at least two sides to every issue. When one side maintains, without any proof, that there was widespread voter fraud, what is an informed, intelligent person suppose to do? Should he say “yes, perhaps you are correct. Let’s meet in the middle.” Or should he say “no, the facts demonstrate there you are wrong.” Choosing right from wrong isn’t even a choice. Accepting reality is simply what a decent, sane individual must do in life.
Beach Fanatic
You keep filling your word count with these dreams of “ no sides” and that is simply fantasy. There are always at least two sides to every issue. When one side maintains, without any proof, that there was widespread voter fraud, what is an informed, intelligent person suppose to do? Should he say “yes, perhaps you are correct. Let’s meet in the middle.” Or should he say “no, the facts demonstrate there you are wrong.” Choosing right from wrong isn’t even a choice. Accepting reality is simply what a decent, sane individual must do in life.We say "no, the facts demonstrate that you are wrong" and "accepting reality is honorable". Then we say (Poppaj will love this) "Let's honor God by accepting facts and reality instead of alternative facts and alternative realities"
SoWal Insider
We say "no, the facts demonstrate that you are wrong" and "accepting reality is honorable". Then we say (Poppaj will love this) "Let's honor God by accepting facts and reality instead of alternative facts and alternative realities"If there was a god there would be no trump or MAGAts
Beach Fanatic
If there was a god there would be no trump or MAGAtsLOL again. What would god do with trump or people who are easily fooled because of corrupt politics? Better yet lets assume you are god or at least someone with a lot of power what would you do with trump and his loyal followers? Give your answer some serious thought before responding.
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