CAUTION, THIS INFORMATION WILL HURT YOUR HEART, GRAPHIC HEARTLESS TREATMENT OF ANIMALS .....the next time you browse through the meat sections of your favorite grocery how can you not think about these videos,,,,,,
there is really something wrong with the HUGE DISCONNECT people have in terms of where and how their food products are being made available to them.
http://www.chooseveg.com/kosher-slaughter.asp
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SoWal Expert
Sorry, still having me a rare ribeye for dinner. 
I've toured a meat packing plant, I've helped cut up dinner, and I've grown up with past meals looking at me from walls, as mittens, or as rugs and throws and it still tastes good!
IMO portion control and curbing the waste of water on landscaping would go much further to promote the health of both us and our planet than trying to make me eat a veggie burger (those things actually make me ill BTW).
I've toured a meat packing plant, I've helped cut up dinner, and I've grown up with past meals looking at me from walls, as mittens, or as rugs and throws and it still tastes good!
IMO portion control and curbing the waste of water on landscaping would go much further to promote the health of both us and our planet than trying to make me eat a veggie burger (those things actually make me ill BTW).
Beach Fanatic
I'm glad we're exploring this here. I've sought answers to these questions and issues for years, and one thing I can tell you is there's no simple answer, no magic bullet. Personal choices make a difference, and markets work at least some of the time in appropriate, if not always rapid response to changing demands from customers.
I believe a huge part of the problem with industrial ag (meat, veggies, fruits, milk, whatever) is the scale of it is unsustainable. I think ag needs to be scaled back down to family farm size, and made more local, seasonal, etc. -- for accountability, fuel savings, on and on, I better not get started on that right now.
Here's a shining example of thriving, way beyond sustainable, humane, organic, high-yield-per-acre-while-improving-not-depeting-the-earth agriculture on a 100- acre farm. It's a form of permaculture. Michael Pollan describes a working week he spent at this place in one of his books -- Omnivore's Dilemma, I think. An excellent read, if this thread captures your interest. The sustainable organic farm--
Polyface, Inc.
On an even smaller scale, super productive mini-farming at a suburban homestead:
Path to Freedom
Lots of youtubes and other websites springing up like weeds about micro-farming. I think this trend has legs.
I believe a huge part of the problem with industrial ag (meat, veggies, fruits, milk, whatever) is the scale of it is unsustainable. I think ag needs to be scaled back down to family farm size, and made more local, seasonal, etc. -- for accountability, fuel savings, on and on, I better not get started on that right now.
Here's a shining example of thriving, way beyond sustainable, humane, organic, high-yield-per-acre-while-improving-not-depeting-the-earth agriculture on a 100- acre farm. It's a form of permaculture. Michael Pollan describes a working week he spent at this place in one of his books -- Omnivore's Dilemma, I think. An excellent read, if this thread captures your interest. The sustainable organic farm--
Polyface, Inc.
On an even smaller scale, super productive mini-farming at a suburban homestead:
Path to Freedom
Lots of youtubes and other websites springing up like weeds about micro-farming. I think this trend has legs.
SoWal Expert
I think smaller scale is definitely the way to go - you get a better product. The problem is making the $ work.
Natural meat is also a good source. My father and his buddies provide 10-15% of their household's meat between their deer, elk, turkey, and pheasant hunting.
Natural meat is also a good source. My father and his buddies provide 10-15% of their household's meat between their deer, elk, turkey, and pheasant hunting.
Beach Fanatic
I think smaller scale is definitely the way to go - you get a better product. The problem is making the $ work.
Natural meat is also a good source. My father and his buddies provide 10-15% of their household's meat between their deer, elk, turkey, and pheasant hunting.
I'm pretty sure Joel Salatin (Polyface Farms) and Julian Dervaes (Path to Freedom) are making the $$ work at small scale. So are the hundreds (thousands?) of CSAs and farmers' markets springing up all over the country. So are SPIN farmers all over the planet. It can be done, it is being done, it just needs to be done more. I bought a solar cooker and some garden tools from Path to Freedom b/c I wanted to support what they're doing. I love the solar cooker, and hope to train my sons and Hub to use the tools
Beach Fanatic
Hi there - I know this was addressed to T.Cline, but I thought I would put in my 2 cents because your questions are very valid and interesting!
You: T.Cline, while I applaud your concerns about the slaughter process, I do have a question about how we fix the pollution aspect by all of a sudden having the world become vegetarian?
I don't think the world has to become vegetarian or vegan I should say. I think if people ate less animal products and raised animals locally (as was mentioned in another post) then animals wouldn't have to be raised in such inhumane conditions and we wouldn't have to raise as many. If folks just cut back - it is good for the animals, the Earth and it is quite good to get in more veggies and fruits
What happens with all of the animals that are associated with the pollution? They won't magically disappear? Should we slaughter them? And just how? What about all of the carcasses, what do we do with them? Not trying to be synical, but I've never heard anyone answer these questions.
I don't think the world would just POOF stop eating meat the same day and have all the animals to deal with. I think that gradually, animal consumption from factory farming would decline if people made vegan choices on occasion. I know people who HAVE to have animal products in every meal - it just isn't necessary - and we, as humans can think past ourselves. So, in answer to the question, there just wouldn't all of a sudden be a s**t load of cows standing around and no one to eat them. ;-)
To the others who are now becoming vegan because of the inhumane treatment of the animals. Several of you are in the restaurant business either by owning/operating or employment. So are you going to cease service of meat/fish ?
Some people take this very seriously and would actually consider changing their jobs - but others understand that people have choices and maybe, like me, don't eat animals at all at home, but once in a while like to frequent a place that serves up a plate of veggies and a piece of fish.
Are you going to quit supporting/working at the restaurants that continue to serve meat/fish that possibly were inhumanely slaughtered?
Some people would make that choice, but most people go for the middle ground. I really think that reason this thread was started was to have people question if there is a better way to raise animals. And cutting back is one way - I don't think anyone really suggested that everyone give up all animals. I've read so much about nutrition over the years. There aren't really any cultures that are 100% vegan 100% of the time. It doesn't have to be all or none - now for some, it is a personal choice to be 100% vegan, but I don't think that is what is being suggested.
Are you going to quit wearing products made of leather? Do you realize that they slaughter those animals in similar manners.
I make it a point to consider all of my purchases. I think about children sweating over Nike shoes, etc... too. We should all consider where all of our products come from. Not just the animal aspect.
Please understand that I fully support humane means of killing animals and absolutely despise torture. But, if you are going to be extreme in your beliefs, then you should do it fully and not just to make your conscience feel better.
That's great - I think you got the point entirely, Just looking for ways to make things better for the animals and if it helps the Earth then bonus time!
I seriously doubt that the world will quit eating meat. Stating that, there are several ligitimate groups that are working very hard in trying to change slaughter processes and animal agriculture waste pollution. I would encourage all to support them in their cause.
You are 100% correct and buying products from organic farms is a wonderful way. Getting eggs out the backyard or from a local farm. Fishing without nets, and having a veggie lunch are all great ways.
BTW, I think these were excellent questions and I hope you don't mind my 2 cents even though this wasn't directed to me personally.
G
You: T.Cline, while I applaud your concerns about the slaughter process, I do have a question about how we fix the pollution aspect by all of a sudden having the world become vegetarian?
I don't think the world has to become vegetarian or vegan I should say. I think if people ate less animal products and raised animals locally (as was mentioned in another post) then animals wouldn't have to be raised in such inhumane conditions and we wouldn't have to raise as many. If folks just cut back - it is good for the animals, the Earth and it is quite good to get in more veggies and fruits
What happens with all of the animals that are associated with the pollution? They won't magically disappear? Should we slaughter them? And just how? What about all of the carcasses, what do we do with them? Not trying to be synical, but I've never heard anyone answer these questions.
I don't think the world would just POOF stop eating meat the same day and have all the animals to deal with. I think that gradually, animal consumption from factory farming would decline if people made vegan choices on occasion. I know people who HAVE to have animal products in every meal - it just isn't necessary - and we, as humans can think past ourselves. So, in answer to the question, there just wouldn't all of a sudden be a s**t load of cows standing around and no one to eat them. ;-)
To the others who are now becoming vegan because of the inhumane treatment of the animals. Several of you are in the restaurant business either by owning/operating or employment. So are you going to cease service of meat/fish ?
Some people take this very seriously and would actually consider changing their jobs - but others understand that people have choices and maybe, like me, don't eat animals at all at home, but once in a while like to frequent a place that serves up a plate of veggies and a piece of fish.
Are you going to quit supporting/working at the restaurants that continue to serve meat/fish that possibly were inhumanely slaughtered?
Some people would make that choice, but most people go for the middle ground. I really think that reason this thread was started was to have people question if there is a better way to raise animals. And cutting back is one way - I don't think anyone really suggested that everyone give up all animals. I've read so much about nutrition over the years. There aren't really any cultures that are 100% vegan 100% of the time. It doesn't have to be all or none - now for some, it is a personal choice to be 100% vegan, but I don't think that is what is being suggested.
Are you going to quit wearing products made of leather? Do you realize that they slaughter those animals in similar manners.
I make it a point to consider all of my purchases. I think about children sweating over Nike shoes, etc... too. We should all consider where all of our products come from. Not just the animal aspect.
Please understand that I fully support humane means of killing animals and absolutely despise torture. But, if you are going to be extreme in your beliefs, then you should do it fully and not just to make your conscience feel better.
That's great - I think you got the point entirely,
Just looking for ways to make things better for the animals and if it helps the Earth then bonus time! I seriously doubt that the world will quit eating meat. Stating that, there are several ligitimate groups that are working very hard in trying to change slaughter processes and animal agriculture waste pollution. I would encourage all to support them in their cause.
You are 100% correct and buying products from organic farms is a wonderful way. Getting eggs out the backyard or from a local farm. Fishing without nets, and having a veggie lunch are all great ways.
BTW, I think these were excellent questions and I hope you don't mind my 2 cents even though this wasn't directed to me personally.
G
Beach Fanatic
I'm pretty sure Joel Salatin (Polyface Farms) and Julian Dervaes (Path to Freedom) are making the $$ work at small scale. So are the hundreds (thousands?) of CSAs and farmers' markets springing up all over the country. So are SPIN farmers all over the planet. It can be done, it is being done, it just needs to be done more. I bought a solar cooker and some garden tools from Path to Freedom b/c I wanted to support what they're doing. I love the solar cooker, and hope to train my sons and Hub to use the tools
EXACTLY!!! It can be done! And the more discussions like this are going on then the more people will demand and support it. It isn't the death aspect of carnivore/vegan issue to me as much as THE HUMANE TREATMENT of alllll creatures. And also, not to waste. Local is best!
Dang it I sold my solar cooker when I was on my RAW kick lol
Now I misses it 
It is WAY SUPER COOL isn't it!!!
Beach Fanatic
Sorry, still having me a rare ribeye for dinner.
...veggie burger (those things actually make me ill BTW).
Scooterbug
I am not a huge fan of veggie burgers either btw! I am not a huge fan of feaux meats and cheeses. I prefer very simple meals of veggies and fruits instead of making soy seem like meat. BUT they have their place.
I think you having a rib eye is fine! But if you had the choice between 2 equally priced rib-eyes - one was from a typical factory farm in CA and the other was local grass fed beef slaughtered more humanely and raised w/out antibiotics, etc... you'd go for the latter I am sure!
Now, go have your steak lol!
G
I vow not to get dogmatic about this. This is purely brainstorming and sharing on ways to have a better world for all. Very simple don't you think? ;-)
SoWal Expert
If the price were equal, obviously I would choose the one w/ fewer chemicals that was better for the environment, but until we can find a way to get the prices closer most people are going to chose the better bargain.
I've got a conscience and preferences about how my food is raised, but I've also only got "x" dollars to spend to feed my household - like the rest of America. Toni's and other farmer's markets work w/ my budget and conscience, but I've yet to see it happen in the grocery chains and IMO that's where we need it to make the biggest impact.
I'll have a side of home grown veggies w/ the steak, but I'm not going to give up my meat - I'm a carnivore!
I've got a conscience and preferences about how my food is raised, but I've also only got "x" dollars to spend to feed my household - like the rest of America. Toni's and other farmer's markets work w/ my budget and conscience, but I've yet to see it happen in the grocery chains and IMO that's where we need it to make the biggest impact.
I'll have a side of home grown veggies w/ the steak, but I'm not going to give up my meat - I'm a carnivore!
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Beach FanaticAuthor
sorry I just got back to this conversation....darn work gets in the way sometimes!!
well thank you Gidget and Susan, both of your responses totally conveyed were I am on these issues.
Being aware of where our food comes from and how its being raised along with being aware the consumer is in control and can make changes to the systems in place by making a choice about where they spend their $$.
well thank you Gidget and Susan, both of your responses totally conveyed were I am on these issues.
Being aware of where our food comes from and how its being raised along with being aware the consumer is in control and can make changes to the systems in place by making a choice about where they spend their $$.
Beach Fanatic
EXACTLY!!! It can be done! And the more discussions like this are going on then the more people will demand and support it. It isn't the death aspect of carnivore/vegan issue to me as much as THE HUMANE TREATMENT of alllll creatures. And also, not to waste. Local is best!
Dang it I sold my solar cooker when I was on my RAW kick lol
It is WAY SUPER COOL isn't it!!!
Ha ha, truth be told, I have THREE solar cookers and one thermal cooker (commercially manufactured version of haybox cooking). I love them all, and have just bought a solar dehydrator/sprouter as well. Will try to remember to post on how well that works here.
Beach Fanatic
If the price were equal, obviously I would choose the one w/ fewer chemicals that was better for the environment, but until we can find a way to get the prices closer most people are going to chose the better bargain.
Scooterbug, glad you brought that up. I recently finished reading Paul Hawken's Natural Capitalism, in which he explains how the price we pay for mainstream goods and services does not show the true cost. We are actually paying more in true cost for factory farmed foods than for organic/local, but a lot of the true cost of factory farmed food is hidden in subsidies and "externalities". There's a lot of really smart folks out there working to update our accounting methods to reflect true costs -- of course, this becomes a policy issue as well, involving the outrageous power of huge corporations to instruct gov't on how to write economic and trade policies, and it's so complex that my liberal-arts-major brain is already shorting out just trying to explain the highlights.
Anyone whose read this book and speaks economist-ese, please feel free to step in and flesh this out.
For now, for Joe and Jane Eater (that would be all of us, yes?), the reality on the ground is we shell out more bucks at the checkout for organic/local/free range than for chemical-laden tortured animal products, and I too debate with myself all the time whether to pay extra for the good stuff, pay less for the junk, or skip the meat altogether. Especially since I know that some of the stuff labeled organic is not necessarily humanely raised and slaughtered, and the chickens laying "free range" eggs may never have seen the sunshine or a live bug in grass. Besides, most of the organic produce in grocery stores came from clear across the continent (fuelish). So usually my grocery bags are filled with a schizoid mix.
In our family meals, animal flesh is rarely the centerpiece (only on the big holidays) -- it is an accent, a seasoning, the cherry on top. I'm not much for fake soy meats either, but when I can't bear the thought of a meat dog and I want something to go with my yummy homemade kraut, the soy dogs fit the bill. (The guys opt for meat, except one son who is tending towards the vegetarian side these days). Far from feeling deprived, we eat fantastic meals from foodways spanning the planet. Mediterranean and Asian cuisines are very easy to do without meat, or with just enough for some flavor. Southern comfort food is great too, with reduced fat and meat, more accent on the great veggies.
Not meaning to preach, just hoping to help someone reading this who might want to make a change and doesn't quite know how to start. I suggest rushing out immediately to Sundog Books and purchasing the most voluptuous cookbook in the world: Crazy Water, Pickled Lemons. One of my foodie pals calls this book "food porn," and she's right! It is not a vegetarian cookbook, but it has the most luscious Mediterranean recipes and photos, many of which are meatless; the ones with meat are easily adapted to vegetarian. The introductory pages to each chapter are positively rhapsodic. Another great cookbook for beginners is the original Moosewood Cookbook, though it's a bit heavy on dairy and fats for my taste these days. Easy enough to adjust or use lower fat cheese, neufchatel instead of cream cheese, etc.
Anybody else got a fave cookbook?
Beach Fanatic
Here's a very relevant article:
Toward Freedom - Swine Flu Fuels Concerns About Factory Farms
I must run - my son just came in from Baton Rouge! The recent LSU grad!
G
Toward Freedom - Swine Flu Fuels Concerns About Factory Farms
I must run - my son just came in from Baton Rouge!
The recent LSU grad!G
SoWal Insider
Well, I don't qualify. Picked up today: beef (tenderloin) kabobs, pork kabobs, chicken kabobs and some ginormous shrimps that I thought were lobster tails! Tons o' veggies! Half n half and eggs! Am having people over this weekend; and, I do mix up my diet with raw, nuts n berries, etc. Highly dubious I'll ever be a vegan.
But, I applaud Y'all!! :clap_1:
But, I applaud Y'all!! :clap_1:
Beach Fanatic
Well, I don't qualify. Picked up today: beef (tenderloin) kabobs, pork kabobs, chicken kabobs and some ginormous shrimps that I thought were lobster tails! Tons o' veggies! Half n half and eggs! Am having people over this weekend; and, I do mix up my diet with raw, nuts n berries, etc. Highly dubious I'll ever be a vegan.
But, I applaud Y'all!! :clap_1:
If you can watch that video and not think about what you are eating, I applaud you. You must have a shut off button that I don't have....
That was disturbing.
Beach Fanatic
congrats; mirliton recipes?
Congrats to the graduate. Back to the topic of what to eat. I bought a big sack full of mirlitons at Fresh Market the other day. I've never eaten them, but I understand you can grow them here as a perennial and very productive vegetable, comparable in use to squash.
Got any mirliton recipes I should try? Any tips for the mirliton newbie on preparation, propagation? Thanks!
Here's a very relevant article:
Toward Freedom - Swine Flu Fuels Concerns About Factory Farms
I must run - my son just came in from Baton Rouge!
G
Congrats to the graduate. Back to the topic of what to eat. I bought a big sack full of mirlitons at Fresh Market the other day. I've never eaten them, but I understand you can grow them here as a perennial and very productive vegetable, comparable in use to squash.
Got any mirliton recipes I should try? Any tips for the mirliton newbie on preparation, propagation? Thanks!
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Beach Fanatic
As Susan alluded to earlier, the major reason for the price discrepancy between conventional and organic is not in the farming methods - which are actally more cost effective - but in the government assistance that the big food conglomerates get, AND in their constant attempts to drive small, sustainable farmers out of business. Read virtually any book or article on the topic, and I guarantee it will be an eye-opening experience. Believe me, the folks who continue in their quest to offer a healthy alternative to vast quantities of poisonous junk being offered are heroes in my book. If you are a conscious eater for whatever reason - whether it's disease prevention/management or political/ethical beliefs - the deck is stacked against you. Learning to eat truly healthfully is a full-time proposition. Labeling laws allow products to be promoted as "healthy" when even a bit of genuine nutritional education would enable the consumer to know that such a claim is ludicrous. Huge companies like Monsanto and Bayer want to end "heirloom" farming, meaning the growing of crops from natural, creator-made seeds, and want all farmers to buy their genetically modified seeds annually from them. Btw, genetically modified means there's a pesticide literally built into the DNA of the seed, and - you guessed it - you are eating that pesticide when you ingest that food. GMO seeds are sterile, meaning they are good for only one crop, then guess what? Yep, farmers have to buy more seeds from these companies on each crop rotation. Is it any wonder that disease rates are skyrocketing worlwide?? We are not eating what we were created and evolved to eat. It would be like putting kerosene in your car's gas tank and wondering why it won't run.
Beach FanaticAuthor
go to YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. and search GMO ....lots of quick videos on the subject if you want more information.
Beach Fanatic
fair trade coffee; tea camellia cuttings?
I have to say it again, I am SO GLAD we are exploring these issues here. None of this is news, it's been going on for many years; the difference is that for whatever reason a lot of folks seem motivated onw to learn more and start being more conscious of where their food is from and how it's produced.
Thinking about that sort of thing used to be the domain of the granola crowd (I include myself in that camp -- my sons call me a "Crunchy Granola Mom"), but it seems to be getting closer and closer to mainstream. A tipping point has been reached ;-)
Fair trade is an important and related issue -- and I have recently learned that just like "organic" labels, "fair trade" labels don't always mean you're getting what you think you're getting. The folks at Amavida know the ins and outs of this a lot better than I do -- they are members of a fair trade coffee buying cooperative, and they actually personally know the growers they buy from, and have visited some of the villages where the coffee they serve and sell is produced. Two of their grower representatives have visited here in the last year and given fascinating presentations on where and how the coffee is grown, processed, tested, sorted, etc.
I'm more of a tea drinker myself, and haven't heard much about fair trade tea. But I understand the tea camellia can be grown here, and have been trying to buy a couple to see if it's any good. No luck so far getting my hands on the plants -- anyone got tea camellias they're willing to share cuttings from?
I have to say it again, I am SO GLAD we are exploring these issues here. None of this is news, it's been going on for many years; the difference is that for whatever reason a lot of folks seem motivated onw to learn more and start being more conscious of where their food is from and how it's produced.
Thinking about that sort of thing used to be the domain of the granola crowd (I include myself in that camp -- my sons call me a "Crunchy Granola Mom"), but it seems to be getting closer and closer to mainstream. A tipping point has been reached ;-)
Fair trade is an important and related issue -- and I have recently learned that just like "organic" labels, "fair trade" labels don't always mean you're getting what you think you're getting. The folks at Amavida know the ins and outs of this a lot better than I do -- they are members of a fair trade coffee buying cooperative, and they actually personally know the growers they buy from, and have visited some of the villages where the coffee they serve and sell is produced. Two of their grower representatives have visited here in the last year and given fascinating presentations on where and how the coffee is grown, processed, tested, sorted, etc.
I'm more of a tea drinker myself, and haven't heard much about fair trade tea. But I understand the tea camellia can be grown here, and have been trying to buy a couple to see if it's any good. No luck so far getting my hands on the plants -- anyone got tea camellias they're willing to share cuttings from?
SoWal Insider
If you can watch that video and not think about what you are eating, I applaud you. You must have a shut off button that I don't have....
That was disturbing.
I didn't watch the video, but read the posts. I guess my shut off button was shut off before I turned it on......sorry! I trust you when you say it was disturbing......that's all the qualifying I need......
Beach Lover
Congrats to the graduate. Back to the topic of what to eat. I bought a big sack full of mirlitons at Fresh Market the other day. I've never eaten them, but I understand you can grow them here as a perennial and very productive vegetable, comparable in use to squash.
Got any mirliton recipes I should try? Any tips for the mirliton newbie on preparation, propagation? Thanks!
OMG my grandmother used to cook merlitons when i was a child. My mother in law who still lives in Louisiana cooks them, I will ask her for some recipes. By the way, one of my daughters is a vegetarian, at first it was tough to always keep her in mind when cooking family meals but now we are used to it and it's easy.
Beach Fanatic
Stunning is required in the US by the Humane Slaughter
Act of 1958 which requires that any meat plants selling meat products to Federal
Agencies to slaughter animals in a humane manner. This has gradually become
a requirement for most plants. The major exceptions would be Kosher (Jewish)
and Halal (Muslim) plants. Other countries such as Australia and New Zealand
use electrical stunning and immobilization. The animal is rendered unconscious
with an electrical current. The goal of stunning is to make the animal insensitive
to pain, but the heart needs to remain beating to allow for complete
exanguination or bleeding.Act of 1958 which requires that any meat plants selling meat products to Federal
Agencies to slaughter animals in a humane manner. This has gradually become
a requirement for most plants. The major exceptions would be Kosher (Jewish)
and Halal (Muslim) plants. Other countries such as Australia and New Zealand
use electrical stunning and immobilization. The animal is rendered unconscious
with an electrical current. The goal of stunning is to make the animal insensitive
to pain, but the heart needs to remain beating to allow for complete
From Montana State University, Department of Animal and Range Sciences
needs to get out more
We showed Food Inc. at MountainFilm on Memorial Day. I'd love to bring it here but I doubt I could; it just opened in NY and SF yesterday. Hopefully it will hit the panhandle, but again, doubtful. Do go and see this movie if you are at all concerned about what you're buying in the supermarket. That hamburger you're eating could potentially be part of 1000 cows, the slaughter rate is so high that the cuttings just get mixed into one huge grinder.
Official Food, Inc. Movie Site - Hungry For Change?
Official Food, Inc. Movie Site - Hungry For Change?
Beach Fanatic
I like meat
Beach Fanatic
Stunning is required in the US by the Humane Slaughterexanguination or bleeding.
Act of 1958 which requires that any meat plants selling meat products to Federal
Agencies to slaughter animals in a humane manner. This has gradually become
a requirement for most plants. The major exceptions would be Kosher (Jewish)
and Halal (Muslim) plants. Other countries such as Australia and New Zealand
use electrical stunning and immobilization. The animal is rendered unconscious
with an electrical current. The goal of stunning is to make the animal insensitive
to pain, but the heart needs to remain beating to allow for complete
From Montana State University, Department of Animal and Range Sciences
I'm not a card carrying huge PETA, fur spray painting activist, so I hope I don't come across as preachy - but I do know from years of reading about this and talking to people first hand that "stunning" isn't always as it sounds. I think when we read about stunning we think - see, the animals don't suffer. Unfortunately not always the case.
Vegan Outreach | Why Vegan? | If Slaughterhouses Had Glass Walls
Global Action Network: Slaughterhouses: Factsheets: General Information on Slaughterhouses
In the link below is an example of someone really trying to do the right thing for the animals. Unfortunately, you will find that there are still people who object to the killing of any animals. This is a personal choice but it is NOT realistic in my opinion. Much better to support humane treatment during life and death.
Humane Slaughterhouses: Food Politics : gourmet.com
this guy!!G
Beach Fanatic
Well, I don't qualify. Picked up today: beef (tenderloin) kabobs, pork kabobs, chicken kabobs and some ginormous shrimps that I thought were lobster tails! Tons o' veggies! Half n half and eggs! Am having people over this weekend; and, I do mix up my diet with raw, nuts n berries, etc. Highly dubious I'll ever be a vegan.
But, I applaud Y'all!! :clap_1:
Like I said this shouldn't really be about vegan/carnivore but about ethical treatment of animals. We'll never all be vegans and I understand where you are coming from. I hope to focus on the slaughterhouse practices and on the way the animals are raised. We can do better as a society!
I hope you had a nice weekend with your guests!
G
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