Never eat meat again.

I am not up on Tarantino movies. You'll have to splain that one to me :roll:

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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0zJSgHDnpw"]YouTube- Pulp Fiction - Filthy Animals[/ame] and filthy language

If Americans (including our parents and grandparents) read one book on food, diet, nutrition, etc every ten years we'd be far healthier than we are at the current pace where such books typically populate the best sellers list. Damn trendy nutrition.

And your point?

YouTube- Pulp Fiction - Filthy Animals and filthy language

Now I get it. And now I remember why I turned this movie off - it was very violent and disturbed me - although I do appreciate philosophical conversations about where our food comes from - but of course would disagree about pigs. They are no more filthy than the next unless we confine them to areas where they have no choice.

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Finally watched Food Inc last night. Nothing really new here. Just reinforced the idea of local local local when we have the choice - and that we vote every time we check out at the store as to whether or not we want to participate in factory farming and GMO's. I vote NO!

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And your point?

Was "If Americans (including our parents and grandparents) read one book on food, diet, nutrition, etc every ten years we'd be far healthier than we are at the current pace where such books typically populate the best sellers list" not clear enough? My point is that Americans follow trends such as Atkins, South Beach, vegetarianism, veganism, low fat, low carb, eggs are bad, eggs are good, wait - egg whites are good but the yolks are bad ($1 to Lewis Black), Rachel Ray, Oprah Diet, cabbage soup diet, slim fast, master cleanse, etc and have higher instances of diet related illnesses than cultures who generally eat what they've been eating for the past several centuries.

Was "If Americans (including our parents and grandparents) read one book on food, diet, nutrition, etc every ten years we'd be far healthier than we are at the current pace where such books typically populate the best sellers list" not clear enough? My point is that Americans follow trends such as Atkins, South Beach, vegetarianism, veganism, low fat, low carb, eggs are bad, eggs are good, wait - egg whites are good but the yolks are bad ($1 to Lewis Black), Rachel Ray, Oprah Diet, cabbage soup diet, slim fast, master cleanse, etc and have higher instances of diet related illnesses than cultures who generally eat what they've been eating for the past several centuries.

This thread was started because of the inhumane treatment of animals we eat. Obviously, we would be far better off eating foods that are not what I like to call gimmick foods and stick to basics as you suggest. But the average American is uneducated about the way animals we eat are raised. The book I mentioned, before you posted, is on our options if we are to eat meat. We cannot continue to consume without consciousness.

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This thread was started because of the inhumane treatment of animals we eat. Obviously, we would be far better off eating foods that are not what I like to call gimmick foods and stick to basics as you suggest. But the average American is uneducated about the way animals we eat are raised. The book I mentioned, before you posted, is on our options if we are to eat meat. We cannot continue to consume without consciousness.

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Society must consume without consciousness. The alternative is moving the entire populace onto a vegan diet (laying hens are treated far worse than broilers, and dairy cattle aren't really living it up either) which would (as I posted above) lead to higher instances of diet related illness, even with calcium, vitamin B and D and omega-3 supplements.

That said, I prefer the grass-fed beef, the "free range" egg and local food from local farmers. More often than not I eat the subsidized-corn fed beef, the factory farmed egg and the lamb shipped from Australia since all are much easier to find here and I deal with my own cognitive dissonance. Seeing that the former is not readiliy available to many consumers due to location or price, I believe it would be better not to force consumers to watch the slaughterhouse videos like Alex in A Clockwork Orange at least until alternatives are more readily available.

who knew food could provoke anger?

I believe we would all be better off if we just ate food... The majority of the American diet is not even food. Our diets are so full of preservatives and additives that what we eat can not even be pronounced... Then we wonder where all this cancer comes from. Alternatives will only be readily available when the consumer demands change. The consumer will not demand change until they learn and believe the truth.

I believe we would all be better off if we just ate food... The majority of the American diet is not even food. Our diets are so full of preservatives and additives that what we eat can not even be pronounced... Then we wonder where all this cancer comes from. Alternatives will only be readily available when the consumer demands change. The consumer will not demand change until they learn and believe the truth.

Food is good for you, chemicals are typicslly not. A wide variety (and sensible portion size) of fresh local foods is the way to go.

Finally watched Food Inc last night. Nothing really new here. Just reinforced the idea of local local local when we have the choice - and that we vote every time we check out at the store as to whether or not we want to participate in factory farming and GMO's. I vote NO!

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I was actually quite surprised at how vanilla their footage of the different processing facilities was. There is MUCh worse footage out there.

Loved how the one farmer basically said - you ask for it, we'll find a way to produce it - it's what we do! That's true whether you want cheap unnutritious food, or great local produce. Enuogh people demand it, and we'll get it...............many companies are getting into organic because of the profit margin, not their consciences.

Anyone with blood sugar levels that are out of whack would be wise to give up caffeine. Amazing how so many do not make that connection and blame certain foods though. Caffeine can really do a number on blood sugar. Glad you made the connection.

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According to the Mayo Clinic, in folks with type II diabetes, it takes five cups of java to cause a small rise in blood sugar levels.

Caffeine: Does it affect blood sugar? - MayoClinic.com

According to the Mayo Clinic, in folks with type II diabetes, it takes five cups of java to cause a small rise in blood sugar levels.

Caffeine: Does it affect blood sugar? - MayoClinic.com

Insulin is what comes into play for me, as my body does not respond to it as well as some.

WebMD Health News Reviewed by Gary D. Vogin, MD

I think it really depends on the person - I know people who drink coffee or caffienated beverages all day and are fine, whereas I am bouncing off the walls w/ ADD and talking at double speed if I have more than one cup.

According to the Mayo Clinic, in folks with type II diabetes, it takes five cups of java to cause a small rise in blood sugar levels.

Caffeine: Does it affect blood sugar? - MayoClinic.com

I only have problems with my caffeine intake if I have too much before any sort of strenuous activity. My blood sugar bottoms out. It took me years to finally figure out what it was but now I can have a great workout or surf session if I limit my caffeine intake. But.... That's just me.

I think it really depends on the person - I know people who drink coffee or caffienated beverages all day and are fine, whereas I am bouncing off the walls w/ ADD and talking at double speed if I have more than one cup.

Yeah I'm the same way. Drugs really affect me and caffiene is no exception. I bounce off the walls and you cannot shut me up. Normally I don't bounce off the walls. Now, liquor makes me stick to walls. Go figure.

Yeah I'm the same way. Drugs really affect me and caffiene is no exception. I bounce off the walls and you cannot shut me up. Normally I don't bounce off the walls. Now, liquor makes me stick to walls. Go figure.

LOL that is me! Drugs of any kind - caffeine, alcohol, etc... I just do better personally without them. And YES no matter what Mayo Clinic says (a few post up), caffeine messes with my blood sugar no doubt. My sister, who is type 2 diabetic, claims it messes with hers if she has too much. I guess the best thing is to find what works for our own bodies.

LOVE your avatar btw.

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I think it really depends on the person - I know people who drink coffee or caffienated beverages all day and are fine, whereas I am bouncing off the walls w/ ADD and talking at double speed if I have more than one cup.

I'd like to see that!!!

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It's not really that entertaining - I just go at hyper speed.

I had an XL from Amavida one day and SWGB's comment was "if I didn't know better I'd think you were coked up!"

Back once again to why TCline started this thread. ANIMAL SUFFERING.

As we ring in TWENTY TEN I like to think that this will be a new start for many when it comes to awareness of all suffering, be it the elderly, the young, the weak and yes animals.

You've probably heard of Jonathan Safran Foer right? He's a wonderful author of Everything is Illuminated and other great works. He's written a book called Eating Animals and for those interested in suffering and what we can do about it especially regarding factory farms. These farms weren't even here a few decades ago. We are breeding entirely new animals - their meat isn't even the same as what our parents were raised on. Not to mention the environmental aspect.

Please consider this book for a read to start the New Year. We wouldn't stand for our dogs and cats to be treated this way, and these animals deserve no less - especially since they give the ultimate for us - their lives.

Let me know if you read it.

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I am adding it to my New Years reading list...
thank you Gidget for suggesting.

and thank you for stating the truth about why I started this thread.
I am not against eating meat....just against such inhumane treatment of the animals and really bothered by how many people do not know how horribly these animals live and die for us.

I just want consumers to KNOW
what they are eating. Sharing information about what the corporations/factory farms are selling us is vital to protecting our children and our selves.
you are right about the meat products and many other products NOT BEING THE SAME QUALITY as what our parents/grandparents consumed.

I'm not going to stop eating meat today or tomorrow, but there are some disturbing aspects to even the humane killing of higher life forms. What I'm getting at is what sort of bonding occurs among the animals that we eat? I know full well that some of our pets in multiple-pet households would sense the loss of another animal in the group. So what about cows, pigs, and other mammals? Do they miss one of their own after they are taken off for slaughter? I can only imagine that for lower life forms like fish this is probably not the case.

What you eat is important,

But what our food eats is also important. I would love to see Monsanto out of business tomorrow but somehow I just don't see this happening. The sad truth is, we are being bombarded with foods that would frighten Frankenstein.

Limiting you caffeine is a good idea, but you may also want to look at Aspartame. There have been some studies that would concern most rational people on the effects of aspartame on the brain.

Good point about animals sensing a loss when one is gone. Just imagine replacing all the pigs or chickens with dogs and you really begin to get a sense of the injustice.

More from his book and TCline, I'll gladly let you borrow my copy - I'm almost done.

As Foer points out, the most appalling aspect of the industrial meat industry is not the more sensational, flagrant animal abuse that's been captured on undercover videos, but rather the chronic, systematic disregard for the fact that animals are living, breathing creatures not intended to be stacked like pallets or made to steep in their own waste on concrete.


Industrial agriculture has done its best to bend these poor creatures to its will, modifying them to better tolerate this style of farming. In so doing, it has created genetic freaks like pigs who can't survive outdoors and turkeys who can't reproduce naturally and have to be artificially inseminated. Can anything truly healthy come from a system where disease, deformity, and environmental degradation are the default?


Foer's intent with Eating Animals is clearly to start a conversation about whether it's necessary, or justifiable, or ethical, to eat animals. He writes favorably of the farmers who rely on more humane and ecologically sound methods of meat production but concludes that, although these operations are infinitely preferable to their factory farm counterparts, some suffering is inevitably inflicted on the animals.


And the fact remains that this kind of pasture-based farming comprises such a tiny fraction of meat production in the U.S. that it's not a viable alternative for most folks. As Foer writes:
Ellen Degeneres noted that some folks will surely feel overwhelmed by the suggestion that they should abandon the cheap meat, dairy, eggs and poultry they count on to feed their families. "How do we take one little step?" she asked Foer.
He answered:
I sometimes worry about being a "carnibore," as the Ethicurean's ever witty Bonnie Powell describes those of us who are only too happy to hector our friends on the merits of pastured meats versus factory farmed.


On the other hand, a friend had us over for lunch the other day and served a roasted chicken from a local farm. Another couple invited us for dinner and made a stew with beef and lamb from a butcher who sells only local, grass-fed meats. These are all friends who formerly bought their meats at the supermarket; their choices were a direct result of the many conversations we've had about this subject.


This is how a sea change starts, with a few tiny ripples.


BTW, I wouldn't touch aspartame! ;-)

I am SOOOOO happy that people are willing to discuss this. And the animals thank you too.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU7_Ar9C_iI"]YouTube- Pet Star: Smart Pig[/ame]

Wild game is a great way to get food that is free range/organic/free from antibiotics and additives.

In any given year 5-10% of our meat is something Papa Scooterbug, Scooterbro, or one of their hunting companions shot.

Elk, venison, turkey, and pheasant are yummy and healthy.

Wild game is a great way to get food that is free range/organic/free from antibiotics and additives.

In any given year 5-10% of our meat is something Papa Scooterbug, Scooterbro, or one of their hunting companions shot.

Elk, venison, turkey, and pheasant are yummy and healthy.

Agreed. MUCH better choice for us and the animal.

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