Fox News is not a news organization

Hi Shopper,

I'll take a shot at answering.

For one, Fox *News* bills itself as a fair and balanced news network. But then they carry these programs. It's not really a fair comparison to make between say Hannity's show and Bill Maher's show. One of them is presented moreso as a nightly news show on a news network. The other is moreso presented as weekly comedy commentary on an edgy entertainment network.

These two shows I cited don't discredit the whole network. With Fox there is an underlying theme/tone/thread that is present with almost perfect consistency throughout its program schedule. You can watch Beck and Hannity and become outraged and then wake up with Fox and Friends where they lead with questions like- "aren't you outraged that..."

I wish conservatives would discuss Fox's programming on this thread as if we were all in a media studies class.

Instead everyone seems to just be getting defensive and trying to bring in other networks' programming into the conversation or going back to the classic fallacy of
"it's #1 so nothing bad anyone says about it can be true especially it comes from a liberal".

I can't believe this same old argument has gone on for 3 pages.

Andy, I'm glad you chimed in. You reminded me of a point I wanted to make.

I'm not afraid that bright folks like you prefer and watch Fox News because, as you said, you are able to discern between the wrestling and the prize fighting.

But America is full of Americans who quite frankly aren't very bright. I believe the combination of such programming and lack of intellect equates to a scary populace.

That's a pretty bold and brazen statement, do you have any evidence other than the fact that Bush was elected President twice.

YouTube - Fox and Friends feature oil spill conspiracies

Can we discuss the particular video I just posted? I think many will take this idea and run with it! "They" just "let it leak." "They" meaning Obama administration I am presuming.

"And I'm not trying to introduce a conspiracy here." she says. BULL! Then why say it?

That's my take on Fox. Just sit around and gab about this and that and meanwhile many take it as gospel.

G

@Gidget-

Since it isn't plausible for so many on the right that our continued commitment to fossil fuels is misguided and drilling isn't safe/clean,,,

it only makes sense that this was sabotage and that the scary socialist president stands to gain by all of this.

Ugh.

YouTube - Fox and Friends feature oil spill conspiracies

Can we discuss the particular video I just posted? I think many will take this idea and run with it! "They" just "let it leak." "They" meaning Obama administration I am presuming.

"And I'm not trying to introduce a conspiracy here." she says. BULL! Then why say it?

That's my take on Fox. Just sit around and gab about this and that and meanwhile many take it as gospel.

G

Well, so much for my blood pressure! :angry:

Stupid dumbarse puckhead idiots!

There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that this was anything but BP's fault!

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What do ratings have to do with anything? Have you read this thread? Just sayin'.

It was North Korea. Obama knew about it before hand. Cynthia McKinney is going for Blood! ARGH! When do the Congressional Hearings begin?

Conspiracy Theory! Geez~~~~~~~

Geo,
Let's agree first of all that Hannity, Beck, and the gang on Fox and Friends go overboard with injecting their obvious right leaning beliefs in their shows. Honestly, I cannot watch any of them. I do think that the programming throughout the daytime on Fox is excellent and its pretty much all I watch other than Brett Baier in the evening. As far as the rantings on Fox getting all the simpletons stirred up, what exactly do you think is going on at the same time on MSNBC (sorry to bring them into the conversation, it seems to be a point of contention). Are you not willing to admit that Shultz, Olbermann, and Maddow stir up just as much crap from their end of the spectrum? Are they less evil because less people actually watch them? My point is that what you are complaining about regarding Fox is going on almost everywhere else in the news media, the only difference is that Fox leans right and most everyone else leans left. You've made some very articulate points here, I just think you may be too focused on Fox to see the big picture.

I see the big picture clearly. This thread wasn't about biased news sources or extreme viewpoints in today's media. It was about Fox.

If someone starts a thread about Simon and Garfunkel being lousy live and I didn't agree,,, I wouldn't defend them by pointing out that they aren't talking about all kinds of other groups I dislike who are lousy live.

P.S. Of course I admit that there are many in the media who spew rhetoric from the extreme left (e.g. Olbermann). Wouldn't you be weirded out if suddenly the masses considered them the premiere fair and balanced source of news?

Good point, well said. It would be nice to find a news source that was right down the middle, wouldn't it.

PBS news is pretty good as is the BBC.

I like Andersen Cooper a lot. Tell you what- I watch O'Reilly and like him even if our politics don't align much of the time. Try watching AC360 for a few nights and let me know what you think. Deal?

Thats a deal. I'll start watching AC360 tonight and let you know what I think after a week.

i no longer recognize the republican party

just as I do not recognize it, and so many others do not.

He means he can't recognize it like you can't recognize a raccoon that was road kill for about a week.

awesome.

Snorting a bit too much of that Fauxcaine there Ms. Quitty don't cha think?

Ms Quitty is incredibly GREAT!

Fox News is a lot like professional wrestling; some people believe it is real.

you have a wonderful way with words Dave. this completely says it all in my opinion and I thank you for helping say it for me and many others.

PBS news is pretty good as is the BBC.

I like Andersen Cooper a lot. Tell you what- I watch O'Reilly and like him even if our politics don't align much of the time. Try watching AC360 for a few nights and let me know what you think. Deal?

What a laugh.

I know that someone like you, Geo, won't watch anything like this but Red Eye on the Fox News channel is the most irreverent news hour going.


I am also gathering that folks in SoWal don't understand that their precious tourists mostly drive there, which means that they USE GASOLINE to get there.

And why haven't I seen any post that even gives a nod to Nashville and their plight?

Geo,

If you had read the post you would have seen someone previously asking for the ratings. That's why i posted them.

Ratings mean everything in the world of business. CNN is going down the tubes and is trying to merge with another News Organization.

Does anyone remember when Fox and Friends began? Several years ago, I turned off the local news because it was doom and gloom. Typically, I only watch the news in the morning and for a while only viewed Fox or CNN and would switch between the two. After 9.11, I had to turn Fox off because Fox and Friends was so annoying with each of them talking over the other, etc. CNN had a much calmer set. So, I would watch the major networks in the morning, but finally had to turn off Katie Couric because of her slant. I also remember turning off Peter Jennings because of his slant. Katie seems to be better now, but I prefer Brian Williams in the evening, if I watch at all. I think a lot of viewers genuinely want the truth of events without an anchor injecting his/her beliefs in the report.

I watched a little of Fox this morning and again it was annoying. Twice in the last 10-15 years I've turned off all news completely because it's just too negative and now I watch my local channels, very rarely checking out the cable news unless I want to catch up at an odd hour.

I think all newscasters should be unbiased when they report, but that isn't the case. So, it's up to the viewer to seek balance, whether it's another network or the internet. As far as ratings, a for profit organization will go after what sells. If they do it successfully, more power to 'em.

I understand what Geo is saying; however, I think it has more to do with pure laziness and allowing someone else to do your thinking for you as opposed to listening objectively and drawing your own conclusions. That's a travesty. But, Foxy, Faux, etc. isn't the only cable news channel successful with this. They are just most successful if one judges success by the ratings.

Geo,

If you had read the post you would have seen someone previously asking for the ratings. That's why i posted them.

Ratings mean everything in the world of business. CNN is going down the tubes and is trying to merge with another News Organization.

Lush Bimbough also has high ratings, but doesn't mean that he speaks the truth. It means that he is pandering for ratings to those who soak up his koolaid brew.

Seems that is exactly what happened in Germany with the media and a former paperhanger in the 1930's.

Geo,

If you had read the post you would have seen someone previously asking for the ratings. That's why i posted them.

Ratings mean everything in the world of business. CNN is going down the tubes and is trying to merge with another News Organization.

Hi. I thought I read every post in the thread and didn't recall anyone asking for ratings. But if they did, my bad. Nice of you to provide.

But I stand by my point that ratings don't have anything to do with this thread.

No one said- Fox News isn't highly rated. The integrity of their programming is what is being questioned.

What a laugh.

I know that someone like you, Geo, won't watch anything like this but Red Eye on the Fox News channel is the most irreverent news hour going.

Ok- wait, what now?

I told you what I watch. If you don't believe me that's your choice.

I am also gathering that folks in SoWal don't understand that their precious tourists mostly drive there, which means that they USE GASOLINE to get there.

Ok- wait, what now?
Gidget's post wasn't about the oil issue. It was about Fox's irresponsible reporting of the oil issue. Plenty of us will refute your point in one of the oil threads.

And why haven't I seen any post that even gives a nod to Nashville and their plight?

Ok- wait, what now?
If you don't see a thread about a subject why don't you start one.

BTW- Andersen Cooper broadcasted live from Nashville last night and devote much of his program to the plight. Terrible. I feel badly for those folks in TN.

I have to concur with Geo regarding Nashville. They have their own natural disaster going on for sure. Thoughts and prayers go out to Music City.

P.S. Geo, I did watch AC360 last night and was pleasantly surprised.

PBS news is pretty good as is the BBC.

I like Andersen Cooper a lot. Tell you what- I watch O'Reilly and like him even if our politics don't align much of the time. Try watching AC360 for a few nights and let me know what you think. Deal?

You're probably right about BBC. But, when I've watched BBC (which isn't every day) while traveling in other countries......um pretty danged slanted. You can take a wild guess as to which side the slant is.