Do ask do tell!

About damn time! Here's hoping the Senate follows suit now that it is a separate bill.

"It's "the only law in the country that requires people to be dishonest or be fired if they choose to be honest," said Rep. Jared Polis, D-Colo.

The House, in introducing the stand-alone bill, sought to avoid the complications of combining it with a general defense bill. Sens. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., are also promoting a stand-alone bill in the Senate and supporters say they have the 60 votes for passage if they can get it to the Senate floor."

House passes repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell' - Politics - Capitol Hill - msnbc.com

I love this comment:
"Gays have been in the military for many many years and we haven't lost a war because of them yet. We've damn near lost some wars because of too many idiots in Washington though."

I agree and hope it can get passed but it's such a political tool that I can see it used as a bargaining chip in the next Congress. I think it will come down to approving the Omnibus/Continuing Resolution, START Treaty and DADT with DADT being passed over. I hope I'm wrong.

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Early reports are that since the Omnibus has been pulled DADT has moved up on the agenda with a vote expected in the next couple of days.

Breaking News- it's official

-- Senate votes 65-31 to repeal "don't ask, don't tell" policy banning gays in military, sends to President Obama to sign.

Well here we go, but I would put it's chance of passing the Senate during the next couple of weeks right above the likelihood that forum members will treat each other with respect (whether they deserve it or not).

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I will respectfully refrain from teasing you about the quote above.

another bible influenced policy bites the dust.

Ray Stevens sang about it years ago...................:lolabove:
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I can take the teasing. Please note that there has been a little more decorum since I made that post. Maybe hell will freeze over next. I am glad I was wrong!!

I can take the teasing. Please note that there has been a little more decorum since I made that post. Maybe hell will freeze over next. I am glad I was wrong!!

You are very cool BeachSioO2.

When gay marriage finally passes and is adopted for all 50 states, hopefully in my lifetime, I will move from Left/Extreme Left to Center/Left and be a much sweeter Sowaller.:wub:

I for one have no problem with gays in the military. If they choose to serve, so be it. As to the fear of "immoral" behavior, treat them exactly like a heterosexual who harasses someone or misbehaves and move on. Far to much time and effort has been spent of this item.

I for one have no problem with gays in the military. If they choose to serve, so be it. As to the fear of "immoral" behavior, treat them exactly like a heterosexual who harasses someone or misbehaves and move on. Far to much time and effort has been spent of this item.

I've underlined the operative word. This shall be an uneventful policy change that time and effort were necessary to bring about.

another bible influenced policy bites the dust.

for complicated issues it may take time, but Americans usually do get around to doing the right thing. especially when human rights are at stake.

another bible influenced policy bites the dust.

For years I have thought bible influence was a good thing.

For years I have thought bible influence was a good thing.

It's not the scriptures that are the issue....it is the "interpretation" of the scriptures by man for their own agenda that is the issue....

Bible influence is fine to help people make their own personal life choices if that is their belief system. However as a country of religious freedom, the bible should never be the basis for laws beyond universal ethics and morals that transcend religion.

Bible influence is fine to help people make their own personal life choices if that is their belief system. However as a country of religious freedom, the bible should never be the basis for laws beyond universal ethics and morals that transcend religion.

What defines a universal ethic or moral? When you get right down to it, a world without religion could be a very ugly, cut throat kind of place. One of the primary purposes of religion was to create community stability. Take that away, teach everyone that we live under a new code of "there are no consequences if you can get away with it" might result in some rather negative results.

(Plus I loose my advantage, I already know there are no consequences if you can get away with it. :lol:)

What defines a universal ethic or moral? When you get right down to it, a world without religion could be a very ugly, cut throat kind of place. One of the primary purposes of religion was to create community stability. Take that away, teach everyone that we live under a new code of "there are no consequences if you can get away with it" might result in some rather negative results.

(Plus I loose my advantage, I already know there are no consequences if you can get away with it. :lol:)

Morality can be based on reason. I don't need scripture that it's wrong to throw acid in somebody's face. The net effect of religion is that it is absolutely useless. It seems effective only because it occasionally puts out its own fires.

What defines a universal ethic or moral? When you get right down to it, a world without religion could be a very ugly, cut throat kind of place. One of the primary purposes of religion was to create community stability. Take that away, teach everyone that we live under a new code of "there are no consequences if you can get away with it" might result in some rather negative results.

(Plus I loose my advantage, I already know there are no consequences if you can get away with it. :lol:)

"You better watch out. You better not cry. You better not pout I'm telling you why. Santa Claus is coming to town. He sees you when you're sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows if you've been bad or good so you better be good, for goodness sake."

If the kids found out there was no Santa Claus they would never behave...

"You better watch out. You better not cry. You better not pout I'm telling you why. Santa Claus is coming to town. He sees you when you're sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows if you've been bad or good so you better be good, for goodness sake."

If the kids found out there was no Santa Claus they would never behave...

Ah! So that's what happened to me.

What defines a universal ethic or moral? When you get right down to it, a world without religion could be a very ugly, cut throat kind of place. One of the primary purposes of religion was to create community stability. Take that away, teach everyone that we live under a new code of "there are no consequences if you can get away with it" might result in some rather negative results.

(Plus I loose my advantage, I already know there are no consequences if you can get away with it. :lol:)

Or was it to use fear as a method of control?

Or was it to use fear as a method of control?

Same thing. So what would you replace it with? Let me guess, the federal government.

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Same thing. So what would you replace it with? Let me guess, the federal government.

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:confused: Fear is needed for community stability??? I don't live in fear, why do you believe anyone should? Sounds as if you have a copy of the the conservatives talking points. Fear and religion are what they are using to keep Gay Americans from serving their country.

I was referring to fear of punishment.

We have the ability to feel right from wrong, but the subject matter for our conscience is learned. For most people that learned behavior is based on religion.

I've found people who grow up in a non-religious environment tend to lack good conscience, so I've always wondered what would life would be like in a society that had completely abandoned religion.

people without religion have a lack of conscience? More people have been slaughtered over religion than any other reason! People who's spirituality is not connected to the fear of the bible god, generally have a greater compassion and understanding of the world around them. As for gays in the military. The military has always been way behind the curve. The military will be just fine granting basic human rights to the people that serve, they just don't like change, or anyone telling the military royalty anything!