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peapod1980 said:
Either way, I'm honestly not sure it makes a lot of sense, even for a kid who's feeling better the night before. At our school, our junior high teachers are notorious for not providing the missed day's work to a parent who comes up to school to retrieve the work--this has happened to me! So, then you have the very real possibility of a student who wasn't given the day's work being expected to produce it out of thin air or be penalized. Really, that sounds impossibly crazy.
This has happened at our house many times due to illness or missing high school classes due to out-of-town basketball tournaments. I have arrived many times at the school office to retrieve assignments, only to find that the teacher had not provided them. And then my daughter would get a zero on the assignments. NOT FAIR!
 

SHELLY

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when I teach upper-level courses in the major, I am very humanistic. Two years ago I had a student who was flunking everything his last semester as a senior. He also has a non-refundable deposit on a honeymoon cruise. If he failed, he would have had to go to summer school to complete his graduation requirements. That would mean cancelling the honeymoon and losing the deposit. I gave him the opportunity to retake all of his tests. In fairness, that meant offering the same deal to his classmates.

That was extremely generous of you....but seeing that this student was flunking everything throughout the entire semester only to be pulled out of the fire at the last minute by twisting EVERYONE'S rules...what "life lesson" did this young man carry away from this situation?

(I certainly hope there is more to this story like he was undergoing chemo treatments or his home was swept away by a break in the levee during Hurricane Katrina.)
 

Jdarg

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Will stayed home sick yesterday. I didn't retrieve any assignments from school, as I expect the teachers to send any makeup work home today. I called yesterday to inform the office he was sick, and I will send a note in today. After #1 Pea's adventure, I can't wait to see how all this turns out!
 
Mermaid said:
Cil, I beg to differ. Your son probably would have still rebelled, ditched class and finagled no matter what the rules about homework were. I say this because I have a son who sounds remarkably similar, except for the dean's list part. Tell me, when did your son turn himself around? Mine is a freshman and I'm still waiting for the transformation to occur. Any insight is apreciated!
Literally his first semester of college, the kid settled right in; he flourished.
He was never afraid of responsibility and hard work; he had a good job all through high school and college, and he graduated with a double major in 3 and a half years.
In high school, he had really liked his guidance counselor and a couple of the teachers that he truly respected. I did too, and the principal as well.
But.
That kid did lead us down quite the merry, beer bottle strewn path.
If you really do not believe in something, it is difficult to conform.
Much of it was immaturity, an unwillingness to play the game, testing boundaries.
But some of it was recognizing that many of these rules are for faculty's convenience rather than building students' character. He chafed against this.

At university, when so many of these rules disappeared, he could relax and embrace the learning. At university, success or failure was based much more on one's actual work rather than external stuff such as attendance or notebook quality. He took to it right away.

Yes, part of growing up is learning that there is no free lunch, that life is not always fair, and of course we can't constantly rescue our kids. There are kids out there learning life lessons much worse than Peapod's.
Still, as Peapod says, a parent's gotta vent sometimes.
 

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The other thing to consider is what the child is learning from the experience (and what you want your child to learn from the experience). There are many lessons for the child:

1. What to do when life is unfair (how to be gracious and still gain something -- even if it's not what one expected or wanted -- under unfair circumstances)
2. How to question/negotiate with authority respectfully.
3. How to know when to fight for something and when to let something go
4. How to get over things that aren't fair and move on
5. etc.

Our kids have had "bad" teachers and great teachers. Our policy at home is overall to teach the kids to respect the system (unless it's unethical or abusive or illegal, etc.) and to learn to earn the good will of authority figures so even if one situation doesn't go their way, they at least have the respect of the authority figure. And, when they're old enough, we hope they will have learned form some of these tough life lessons to learn when to fight, when to let things go, how to make up for things that go badly, how to turn "bad" into "good", when to move on, etc. It's so hard to know how to deal with these situations and even harder to see our children hurt. But it's going to happen throughout their lives and they need to develop skills for dealing with these situations in ways that are productive rather than destructive to them. It's hard...
 

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Beach Runner said:
My daughter had a paper due at the end of her first semester at MIT. She got really, really sick and ended up in the hospital. The professor didn't care about excuses - he had a deadline. She had done the research, but hadn't finished typing it. You know how when you have a 104 degree fever and it hurts when light enters your eyes? That's the way she was. So she dictated it to me, I typed it as she struggled to speak, and after she passed out due to her intense fever, I emailed it to her professor minutes before the deadline. (BTW it was on a subject I knew nothing about, so all I did was repeat her words verbatim). I know I shouldn't have done that, but the way I roll with my students is if they can document their illnesses/etc., I work with them. It's a "Pay It Forward" thing for me now. Maybe if I give my students a break, eventually some professor (or employer) will give my daughter a break when she's very ill.

So, SS, to me it really doesn't matter if it was assigned before or during the illness. If Peapod's child was that sick, he was too sick to focus on homework. I guess that's when a mom has to step in - even when her baby is at MIT.


I think you did the right thing. Occasionally everyone needs a break ansd that prof will get what he gives.

My daughter had to have emergency surgery her 3rd week of her freshman year at college, a ovarian cyst - 11 cm. She missed 10 days of class and her professors at Davidson were remarkable. Their ONLY concern was her health. It was an uphill battle but she had a 3.3 GPA that semester. Her sophomore year, she had to have immediate surgery due to endometreosis and received similar treatment. Something to consider when choosing a school.
 

peapod1980

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Paula said:
The other thing to consider is what the child is learning from the experience (and what you want your child to learn from the experience). There are many lessons for the child:

1. What to do when life is unfair (how to be gracious and still gain something -- even if it's not what one expected or wanted -- under unfair circumstances)
2. How to question/negotiate with authority respectfully.
3. How to know when to fight for something and when to let something go
4. How to get over things that aren't fair and move on
5. etc.
Paula, I'm with you 100% on this one! In fact, ultimately, this had nothing whatsoever to do with the grade itself; that means little. I always want my kids to learn the larger lesson, and in this case one thing I wanted my son to know is I would go to bat for him when it is truly warranted. He knows I'm not a intervention-crazy mom, but he knows now if a sitation is unjust, I'll do what I can. Operative phrase here--what I can. His dad and I both told him when this happened that sometimes life truly isn't fair and that we'd do what we could but to be prepared for the fact that we couldn't do anything about it in the end. And we told him that similar things happen to adults every day; you learn to accept it and move on. I had to reach that point myself in this process--I was prepared to have the principal support the teacher, and I had decided if that happened, that was the end of it. There was no larger lesson to learn or nothing to accomplish further by going to the superintendent or the school board, or whatever. This was a lesson for me, too, in the end!
 

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Peapod,
Kudos to you for using this as an opportunity to teach your son an invaluable lesson, explaining some of the hardest things in life - - what's fair, what's not and to learn to adapt and try to see a positive solution. At the 7th grade level it's an intangible thing. But he did learn something. He'll pass this supportive quality down to his own children one day too. This is the beginning of a new stage in his life.
 
SHELLY said:
That was extremely generous of you....but seeing that this student was flunking everything throughout the entire semester only to be pulled out of the fire at the last minute by twisting EVERYONE'S rules...what "life lesson" did this young man carry away from this situation?

(I certainly hope there is more to this story like he was undergoing chemo treatments or his home was swept away by a break in the levee during Hurricane Katrina.)
Here's his explanation:
"I understand that I am extremely off track right now with all my classes...I'm just very overwhelmed with my clasess, especially my calculus class. ( I hate it, and it hates me!!!) I currently have 4 F's, so you can imagine my frustration and sense of emergency. I am planning on graduating in May! But obviously only if I can get these grades up. Can we sit down and go over the important points that I need to lock down in order to do better on assignments and tests forthcoming? It's not that I'm not studying etc... I'm just lost, frustrated etc. Anything you could do would be extremely helpful... I don't want you to feel like I'm looking for a handout... I'm just very stressed and asking for any kind of help. Thank you again."

I don't routinely go to such extremes. There was nothing I could do about calculus since I wasn't the prof in that course. But I was the prof in the other 3 classes and wanted to give him a second chance. Why? His not graduating would not only affect him (he wouldnt have been able to graduate until December since all of the courses he would have needed to make up aren't offered in the summer), his family (they would have another semester of tuition to pay and not have the pride of all of the milestone events - graduation, wedding, first job - converging as planned), and the bride and her family (the disappointment of the honeymoon being cancelled and the groom not being able to accept his job until December).

It would have made me very sad if his plans had evaporated because I didn't do everything I could to help the young man help himself. Call me a sentimental old fool if you'd like.
 

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