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Lynnie

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A few tidbits from the National Coalition on Health Care:

In 2008, total national health expenditures were expected to rise 6.9 percent- two times the rate of inflation. Total spending was $2.4 TRILLION in 2007, or $7,900 per person. Total health care spendings represented 17 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP).

U.S. health care spending is expected to incresae at similar levels for the next decade reaching $4.3 TRILLION in 2017, or 20 percent of GDP.

In 2008, employer health insurance premiums increased by 5.0 percent-two times the rate of inflation. The annual premium for an employer health plan covering a family of four averaged nearly $12,700.


Health care spending accounted for 10.9 percent of the GDP in Switzerland, 10.7 percent in Germany, 9.7 percent in Canada and 9.5 percent in France, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.



Interesting. I would attribute part of this to the US plans being 'open access,' while the plans here quoted of other countries are socialized.
I believe placing more cost sharing responsibility on the insured and education help will curb expenses on medical care. Pharma is a different story and is where reform can benefit greatly.

Interesting article. I haven't seen the news all week. Was this on prime time news outlets as well? :dunno:
 

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Might I suggest you "Goggle" Dave Janda. You will find the speech displayed there. I did not compare it line for line but it appeared to be the same as posted. At any rate, I took it in good faith. My problem is I am prone to do that until something or someone is proven otherwise.

I did find his web site and I can not locate that speech.
Sports Injury Information – Sports Injuries Explained

It appears all that is there are articles about foot guards and sport injuries. This seems to be generated by Free Republic.

I would encourage anyone who really is concerned to read Section 1233 of the Bill. The section regarding end of life Counseling/ Living Wills starts on or around page 433- 445 or so.

I spent the better of this morning discussing this with a relative who is reading these types of emails and going to these web sites. They claimed that they read specific pages of the Bill, proceeded to give a list of them that I should reference and claimed that all the legalese got them confused. Frankly, I am not lawyer, but it seemed to read in plain English to me. :roll:

a) there is nothing in the section that requires anyone age 65 and over to get counseling about living wills and advance care directives, only that it will be paid for every 5 years should one wish to discuss it.

b) that advance care directives based on each State's laws, should one develop an illness that might precipitate a new conversation with their doctor, will be paid for. So, if someone develops a brain tumor for example, and they just had a living will consultation 3 years earlier, they are eligible for an another consultation to discuss what may occur and what procedures are available for resuscitation or hydration, etc.

Does anyone really believe that if someone wants to be kept alive by artificial or natural means, and it is detailed in their Living Will, that the government will be telling doctors when to pull the plug? There are so many different scenarios, but even from a religious standpoint we are talking about a violation of someone's Constitutional rights to have the government tell them how and what to do to end their life with directives.

Here's a list of other chain emails of rumors circulating and a snopes by Politifact.
PolitiFact | E-mail 'analysis' of health bill needs a check-up

This alone negated about half of the invalid concerns the person I had a conversation with this morning had.
 

Lake View Too

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I don't know how in the heck you think you can get away with presenting facts with a link to the source of the facts in the political forum, under any thread. Kurt, can we get these rational posters kicked off the board? No more common sense, please! :blink: :blush: :dunno: :cool:
 
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elgordoboy

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this was sent to me by a retired dr. Who belongs to rotary with a friend of mine. Guess all of us over 65 better go buy our coffin.




written by dr. Dave janda
thursday, 23 july 2009

as a physician who has authored books on preventative health care, i was given the opportunity to be the keynote speaker at a congressional dinner at the capitol building in washington last friday (7/17).

the presentation was entitled health care reform, the power & profit of prevention, and i was gratified that it was well received.

in preparation for the presentation, i read the latest version of "reform" as authored by the obama administration and supported by speaker pelosi and senator reid. Here is the link to the 1,018 page document:
http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/aahca-billtext-071409.pdf

let me summarize just a few salient points of the above plan. First, however, it should be clear that the same warning notice must be placed on the obamacare plan as on a pack of cigarettes: consuming this product will be hazardous to your health.

the underlying method of cutting costs throughout the plan is based on rationing and denying care. There is no focus on preventing health care need whatever. The plan's method is the most inhumane and unethical approach to cutting costs i can imagine as a physician.

the rationing of care is implemented through the national health care board, according to the plan. This illustrious board "will approve or reject treatment for patients based on the cost per treatment divided by the number of years the patient will benefit from the treatment."

translation.....if you are over 65 or have been recently diagnosed as having an advanced form of cardiac disease or aggressive cancer.....dream on if you think you will get treated.....pick out your coffin.

oh, you say this could never happen? Sorry.... This is the same model they use in britain.

the plan mandates that there will be little or no advanced treatments to be available in the future. It creates the federal coordinating council for comparative effectiveness research, the purpose of which is "to slow the development of new medications and technologies in order to reduce costs." yes, this is to be the law.

the plan also outlines that doctors and hospitals will be overseen and reviewed by the national coordinator for health information and technology.

this " coordinator" will "monitor treatments being delivered to make sure doctors and hospitals are strictly following government guidelines that are deemed appropriate." it goes on to say....."doctors and hospitals not adhering to guidelines will face penalties."

according to those in congress, penalties could include large six figure financial fines and possible imprisonment.

so according to the obamacare plan....if your doctor saves your life you might have to go to the prison to see your doctor for follow-up appointments. I believe this is the same model stalin used in the former soviet union.

section 102 has the orwellian title, "protecting the choice to keep current coverage." what this section really mandates is that it is illegal to keep your private insurance if your status changes - e.g., if you lose or change your job, retire from your job and become a senior, graduate from college and get your first job. Yes, illegal.

when mr. Obama hosted a conference call with bloggers <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/20/obama-calls-on-bloggers-t_n_241570.html> urging them to pressure congress to pass his health plan as soon as possible, a blogger from maine referenced an investors business daily article <http://www.ibdeditorials.com/ibdarticles.aspx?id=332548165656854> that claimed section 102 of the house health legislation would outlaw private insurance.

he asked: "is this true? Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though h.r. 3200 is passed?" mr. Obama replied: "you know, i have to say that i am not familiar with the provision you are talking about."

then there is section 1233 of the obamacare plan, devoted to "advanced care planning." after each american turns 65 years of age they have to go to a mandated counseling program that is designed to end life sooner.

this session is to occur every 5 years unless the person has developed a chronic illness then it must be done every year. The topics in this session will include, "how to decline hydration, nutrition and how to initiate hospice care." it is no wonder the obama administration does not like my emphasis on prevention. For mr. Obama, prevention is the "enemy" as people would live longer.

i rest my case. The obamacare plan is hazardous to the health of every american.

after i finished my capitol hill presentation, i was asked by a congressman in the question-answer session: "i'll be doing a number of network interviews on the obama health care plan. If i am asked what is the one word to describe the plan what should i answer."

the answer is simple, honest, direct, analytical, sad but truthful. I told him that one word is fascist.

then i added, "i hope you'll have the courage to use that word, congressman. No other word is more appropriate."

dr. Dave janda, md, is an orthopedic surgeon, and a world-recognized expert on the prevention of sports injuries, particularly in children. His website is noinjury.com<http://www.noinjury.com/> .







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Mango

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I don't know how in the heck you think you can get away with presenting facts with a link to the source of the facts in the political forum, under any thread. Kurt, can we get these rational posters kick off the board? No more common sense, please! :blink: :blush: :dunno: :cool:

I think if spelling, grammer, punctution, broken links, no links, irrationality, exsuberance, rationality, and misinformation were Sowal crimes, we would not have a Board.

I think everyone tries their best on the whole.
 

Bob

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Can I trade in my clunker casket and get $4500 towards the new one?
comrade poppy, you must first remove the resident body, prove that it has been destroyed, fill out the proper forms, and wait for senate republicans to divert more war funds to get you a shiny new earth crib
 
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