Administration Now Defends Insurance Mandate as a Tax

[LuciferSam]

...may not be debatable but a good thing to remember if running for another term....your lies always catch up with you.

It's not the lie that people object to, but the element of surprise. The people most hurt by the lies are the people who believe them.

 

[futurebeachbum]

We should all focus on reality as we know it rather than what other people have to say. We'd be much better off.

I think that having an electorate with a firm grasp on reality is the very last thing that politicos from either party want.

 

[LuciferSam]

I think that having an electorate with a firm grasp on reality is the very last thing that politicos from either party want.

The politicians need to wake up and realize just what everybody knows. They don't get it.

 

[LuciferSam]

...may not be debatable but a good thing to remember if running for another term....your lies always catch up with you.

This lie was factored in sometime around last September. Let's not try to get two lies out of one. That would be a worse lie.

 

[Yzarctoo]

It's not the lie that people object to, but the element of surprise. The people most hurt by the lies are the people who believe them.

...since I never believed them ( the lies or his promises) nothing that surfaces surprises me... only makes me sad that so many people, especially young first time voters, believed that he was offering Change and Hope and a new way for Washington DC to do the people's business...I am sorry that he is (has) disppointing them. I remembered watching election night...his supporters were crying and sobbing, they were laughing, they were cheering, they were singing hymns...they were so proud and in love with this man...a black man had been elected to the highest office in the land. And not even two years later they are finding out they were dooped and were made fools of and told campaign untruths.. he wasn't there to do the people's business...he was there to do Obama's business. Even sadder, because of the way our political parties work (both parties mind you) you still have the pressure to keep believing and supporting your candidate, even after you have doubts about his ability and efforts ...its like an unspoken political party rule, you are the trapped rat and are doomed to go down with the ship but still required to praise the ship's sea worthiness. I listen to political commentators trying to defend an action or an Obama moment and they speak or repeat the talking points that they are given, they raise their voices, they repeat themselves again, they get angry at the questions ,they don't answer the questions, they act like they still believe,they still try to defend their man, but the light is not there in the eyes. Those eyes tell the whole story.

 

[Yzarctoo]

This lie was factored in sometime around last September. Let's not try to get two lies out of one. That would be a worse lie.

as Sir Walter Scott would say...
?Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive?

 

[ugabuga]

Please excuse me if I ask a question to which Everyone Else knows the answer, but I honestly don't know:

What is materially different between the mandated requirement that everyone pay for health insurance &

the mandated requirement that everyone pay for Social Security &

the mandated requirement that everyone pay for Medicare?

If SS & Medicare pass legal muster, won't the same be true for Health Insurance?

 

[LuciferSam]

...since I never believed them ( the lies or his promises) nothing that surfaces surprises me... only makes me sad that so many people, especially young first time voters, believed that he was offering Change and Hope and a new way for Washington DC to do the people's business...I am sorry that he is (has) disppointing them. I remembered watching election night...his supporters were crying and sobbing, they were laughing, they were cheering, they were singing hymns...they were so proud and in love with this man...a black man had been elected to the highest office in the land. And not even two years later they are finding out they were dooped and were made fools of and told campaign untruths.. he wasn't there to do the people's business...he was there to do Obama's business. Even sadder, because of the way our political parties work (both parties mind you) you still have the pressure to keep believing and supporting your candidate, even after you have doubts about his ability and efforts ...its like an unspoken political party rule, you are the trapped rat and are doomed to go down with the ship but still required to praise the ship's sea worthiness. I listen to political commentators trying to defend an action or an Obama moment and they speak or repeat the talking points that they are given, they raise their voices, they repeat themselves again, they get angry at the questions ,they don't answer the questions, they act like they still believe,they still try to defend their man, but the light is not there in the eyes. Those eyes tell the whole story.

I think you might be overstating people's disappointment. A lot of us fall into the category that we are grateful that we no longer have Republican rule, which in itself is worthy of a "Mission Accomplished" banner. I'm also glad health care and business reform passed, and I think the administration averted a major depression with its fiscal stimulus. We also got two supreme court justices who are not on the far right. Unemployment may be high, but with the way businesses are restructuring and automating, I can't honestly say that we would have favorable employment numbers even in the best of times. We may have to wait until new industries using new technologies start to develop.