Agree or Disagree- Obama question

[rapunzel]

Geo, Bill Clinton was a centralist, not extreme left. I do agree that many voters may vote against Obama based solely on his skin color, but I think that just as many, if not more, want to show that America wants to move past race, and putting a black man in the Country's highest Office, will show the world, and ourselves, that we disapprove of the racial history in America. If, and only if, all else were equal between the candidates, I'd vote for a black person or a female b/c of race and sex.

I think many voters will skip the research on the candidates, and base their decision on sound-bites from late night comedy shows, like Colbert, Leno, Letterman, Kimmel, and Sat Night Live, or from the pictures and headlines they see in People magazine, The Star, The Enquirer, etc.

Which of his policies, specifically, do you consider to be 'extreme left'?

 

[30ashopper]

I hear ya, SJ.

But 30aShopper's question about Obama (which mirrors mine verbatim about Palin on the other thread- very cool) asks if the dems would have picked Obama as their candidate if he was not an African American...

Centrist or not, Clinton is about the best example I can think of to back me up that the dems would have picked Obama as their man if he was white. He was the best choice based on what he brings to the table despite his race, not because of it (which I feel is the case for Palin- related to gender)...

I disagree completely. There is no way Obama would be the candidate if he were white. He never would have been asked to give that speech in 2006, his books would not be best sellers, he'd be nobody - a junior senator from Chicago working his way up the ranks.

 

[GoodWitch58]

I disagree completely. There is no way Obama would be the candidate if he were white. He never would have been asked to give that speech in 2006, his books would not be best sellers, he'd be nobody - a junior senator from Chicago working his way up the ranks.

It was 2004 that he gave the address...

This comment is so "over the top"...it's the kind of attitude that we need to get beyond in this country. It is the man's inspiration and intellect that appeal to people, especially young people...Obama hasn't ever been "nobody".

 

[30ashopper]

It was 2004 that he gave the address...

This comment is so "over the top"...it's the kind of attitude that we need to get beyond in this country. It is the man's inspiration and intellect that appeal to people, especially young people...Obama hasn't ever been "nobody".

Your wrong, Obama is where he's at today due to the affirmative action attitude of democrats.

We'll never be able to decide this, so suffice it to say, we agree to disagree?

 

[sunspotbaby]

Leaving Cartman out of it-
you see Obama just as a token?

Um. Wow...

The office of President is a token. IMO

 

[Rita]

Completely disagree

What is compelling to me is his brilliance and ideas and ideals - couldn't care less about color or religion

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I second this! ..Although he may lean left, I can see him compromising like no other. I don't think we can move our country out of debt and back into some credible standing with the world community if we don't have someone in office who can pull sides together to accomplish some semblance of progress. We have such a long way to go that the task seems daunting and I don't think McCain/Palin would even scratch the surface.

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[30ashopper]

It was 2004 that he gave the address...

This comment is so "over the top"...it's the kind of attitude that we need to get beyond in this country. It is the man's inspiration and intellect that appeal to people, especially young people...Obama hasn't ever been "nobody".

As a test, take a good hard look at the latest Newsweek cover. Put a white guy next to Biden and ask yourself, does that work? I think the answer is obvious. Hillary Clinton would be next to Biden, not a white Obama.

 

[sunspotbaby]

As a test, take a good hard look at the latest Newsweek cover. Put a white guy next to Biden and ask yourself, does that work? I think the answer is obvious. Hillary Clinton would be next to Biden, not a white Obama.

:scratch:
Hmmm...

point.

 

[steele mama]

Absolutely Disagree...

Think about it-

If a white male (the standard in politics) came out of, let's say, Arkansas-

with a very articulate message of change after a Bush presidency,

someone young, fresh and able to inspire and motivate masses,

someone with a focus on hope,

someone who achieves celebrity status because of their aura,

irrespective of experience-

Don't you think it is feasible that this person could defy the odds and win the dem's nomination as well as the presidency?

Sound familiar?

Think Bill Clinton...

A star of any color is a star!

Not only do I believe that the dems would have chosen Obama if he was not black-

I believe that his color is a serious liability in this election...

There are millions of people in this country who will vote for anyone who runs against Obama solely because of the color of his skin. I am friends with and related to many of these folks. Sad but true...

Pretty true. I do think it is an accomplishment for a black man to get where he has gotten in such a short amount of time, whatever his politics.

 

[30ashopper]

My intention here is not to denigrate what Obama has accomplished. He has accomplished great things on his own, and has earned his place in history. The original question had nothing to do with Obama, it had to do with the democrats pushing him into the spot light before his time. Obama is a great man, but I question his current placement as the candidate of the Democratic party - I do not think this was entirely his own doing.