Beach Property Rights - public/private

[Capricious]

Ok, here's a scenario:

You want to have your seawall repaired/built/whatever.

Or maybe a walk-over built

Can the heavy equipment access the beach from your own
little bit of beach frontage?

No?

House in the way?

How does the equipment get to the beach?

Public access? Opps, no public access!

So you have to find someone who will allow the equipment
to access the beach by crossing THEIR property.

And then you have to get the permission of EVERYONE between
here and there to allow the equipment to cross "their" beach.

Yeah, right.

On a nice calm lake the equipment arrives by water:

http://www.ripraplakeozark.com/gallery_12.html

How is that going to work on the Gulf?

Be careful what you wish for

 

[scooterbug44]

I am really liking that twist!

Amazing the complications that can ensue when you want your own little fiefdom! :angry:

The whole thing is just so ridiculous! Think when I'm home for Thanksgiving I'll take a stroll down the lakeshore - since it is most definitely PUBLIC I won't have to miss out on a turkey dinner 'cuz I'm in handcuffs!

 

[Capricious]

Re:

Taxpayer-subsidized flood insurance

Taxpayer-subsidized property insurance (i.e Citizens)

If the "rewards" of the beach are to be all yours, then
the "risks" of the beach should be all yours as well.

 

[Smiling JOe]

Vagrant brings up a great point about the Bay and Lakes. I can tell you from looking at the plat of Grayton Bayou, the Bayfront properties extend to the Mean High Water Mark (MHWM), but they recently built a bulkhead (aka - seawall) well out into the water on what I think is gov't land. It used to be that one could walk on the beach at those properties, but now the water hits the wooden wall. It is my belief that where they have filled in that area which used to be water, it is actually State property, and the public should have every right to enjoy that portion of land, which the Bayfront owners will claim as their own. It seems no different to me than the Gulf front owners who built their seawalls on Gov't beach -- part of those new backyards are now public property, and in that one area along Montgomery St, between each of those Gulf Front properties, is a 20ft (if I correctly recall) platted access which extends to the beach (ie- a public access to the public bluffs (in the backyards) overlooking the Gulf. Can anyone say, "Martini Time?"

 

[InletBchDweller]

I understand the current height restrictions. My question was regarding furure changes in the building code. While I am all for public beach access and usage, I think some on this post are naively dismissing the claim that developers will attempt to exploit any issue to increase their profits . I would be at least as fearful of developers as some here are of beach front property owners.

Rancid, It seems that we are agreeing on this subject...Now I have no inside information on developers wanting to push the height restriction over what it is already zoned. I know many delevlopers - and all are not evil. Why dont we all bond together and fight this battle... then, when someone tries to push the height restriction then we can all fight for our right (to parrrrrrrrty sorry had to do it.) on that subject matter.

I honestly believe that if just sowal.com bonds and shows the commisioners that we do care, we will prevail. Strength in numbers.....So when is the next meeting and who is bringing dinner????

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

Re: Private Property Owner's Rights Being Attacked

It's nice to see you still have a hard on for Redfish Village. Get a life.

It now makes sense that you said the above and then tried to "sexualize" it, based on your [ame="http://www.sowal.com/bb/showpost.php?p=194951&postcount=410"]post[/ame] from last January regarding Redfish:

Re: Redfish Village Beach Access
I don't live in BMB or own property there but I know the developers personally and consider them friends. So for that reason, I hope their request is approved. Surely friendship is as important a reason as not wanting someone walking by your property is for opposing it.

Who's sleeping with whom?
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You guys listening?
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[Jdarg]

Rancid, It seems that we are agreeing on this subject...Now I have no inside information on developers wanting to push the height restriction over what it is already zoned. I know many delevlopers - and all are not evil. Why dont we all bond together and fight this battle... then, when someone tries to push the height restriction then we can all fight for our right (to parrrrrrrrty sorry had to do it.) on that subject matter.

I honestly believe that if just sowal.com bonds and shows the commisioners that we do care, we will prevail. Strength in numbers.....So when is the next meeting and who is bringing dinner????

But what happens north of the bay- since the height restriction in place only reads south? The proposed change in the height restriction is supposed to encompass the whole county, not change the actual height, is it not? Currently, their is not a height restriction, and a developer has proposed a ridiculously high condo on the bay. There aren't any height restrictions on that side, just the beach.

 

[InletBchDweller]

But what happens north of the bay- since the height restriction in place only reads south? The proposed change in the height restriction is supposed to encompass the whole county, not change the actual height, is it not? Currently, their is not a height restriction, and a developer has proposed a ridiculously high condo on the bay. There aren't any height restrictions on that side, just the beach.

I dont know what the proposed change is for North of the Bay. I think in the SUN there was an article about a large high rise close to Jolly Bay. Is there enough information on this subject to start its own thread??? Looks like we may have another battle ahead of us, I need to go and find my full suit of armour...

 

[Smiling JOe]

Jdarg, you correctly understand it.

IBD, I started a thread on the issue a while back.

 

[Kurt]

The Jolly bay project and height restrictions are discussed here:
[ame="http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?t=15944"]25 Story Condo proposed in Walton County!!! - SoWal Beaches Forum[/ame]

And feel free to start a new thread just about height restrictions. Let's keep this thread on Beach rights - thanks!