Best article yet on health reform

[Kayak Fish]

I see.

Since Dominoes re-posted a link, I read the letter. It sounds to me like the point of the letter was the doctors frustration with irresponsible behavior. I prefer to give people the benefit of any doubt.

I'm sure you do.

 

[Winnie]

Actually, I find it very appropriate - I am REALLY tired of everyone who wants health care reform or who can't get health insurance being depicted as a deadbeat crack whore or an illegal alien.

All of the comments I posted were direct responses to YOUR link.

Not saying the current proposal is the solution, but there is a SEVERE need for reform.

In his letter, the doctor didn't depict anyone who supports health care reform or can't get health insurance as a deadbeat crack whore or an illegal alien. That is coming from you, not him.

The letter is deriding the President for wanting responsible people to pay for the health care of those irresponsible with their health and their money.

I agree with you that the system needs reform. We do need to help those who can't help themselves. We also need to create lower costs so people can sustain themselves.

But, I also think it is important that poor choices be discouraged not rewarded. I think it is bad for individuals and for society, to allow able people to lose their self-worth.

 

[Lynnie]

For those of you who wish to read the deleted letter that I had posted, here is the link snopes.com: Dr. Starner Jones
You can see what kurt was trying to suppress.

The whole point of the letter is not the racial stereotype it is the failure of an individial to make good decisions. The left cannot get past it seeming like a racist image, when the point is look at what this individual has chosen to spend my money on with the check they got from Uncle Sam. Whether this individual is causasian, asian, afr-am., indian, etc. their life choices are horrible and I should not be paying for it.

the cost of a new gold tooth : 200-2000 depending on who made it. the cost of a new cell phone yearly: 500-2000 depending on type the cost of smoking and drinking regularly: 2000 a year
the cost of the tattoos: 200-1000 per tattoo depending on quality

the cost of a single woman to have good health insurance with BCBS: $3000 per year.

The point is that this woman has spent our money on non-necessities that could have paid for her own health insurance.

Your point about Medicaid is flawed because both the House and Senate bills raise the income threshhold for Medicaid eligibility and is going to increase medicaid enrollment substantially. Medicaid is a state program that is being given an unfunded federal mandate in these bills and the states will have to raise taxes to pay for the additional enrollees. It is the genius behind making the plans "deficit neutral" for the federal budget. It is not deficit neutral for the individual states.

Good letter and this is a concern of mine as well as many fiscally responsible people I know both left and right. It does not mean that we are without compassion, but we recognize that our social systems are abused by some and we don't want to pay for them any longer.

Not everyone will be able to or can currently afford the 'Bentley' plan and that is why there are the 'Hyundai' plans, which provide catastrophic coverage as well as certain state mandates.

I know not one person who isn't for reform. I know many, many people who are vehemently opposed to socializing (gov't run) our health care system.

 

[Dominoes]

Actually, I find it very appropriate - I am REALLY tired of everyone who wants health care reform or who can't get health insurance being depicted as a deadbeat crack whore or an illegal alien.

All of the comments I posted were direct responses to YOUR link.

Not saying the current proposal is the solution, but there is a SEVERE need for reform.

You failed to answer the question, how is it that you currently can't afford coverage? If you work, don't indulge in non-necessities, and don't have a pre-existing condition, then $300 a month for a great BCBS plan seems pretty affordable to me?

Also, how does HB 3962 help you. If you work, then you are unlikely to qualify for the expansion in medicaid. So you will now be mandated to have insurance and penalized by a new tax if you don't get covered. Since the public option is not tied to medicare but negotiated with providers in your area, most project that it will cost about what a private insurer will be charging. The funny thing is that much of the left-blinded populace has no idea how this bill will affect you. Those not blinded are the 58% that have learned about what is in the bill and now oppose it.

I am actually in a unique position to be in a win-win situation with this plan. Politically, I believe in free markets and am right-leaning. So I will be happy if the bill fails. Professionally, if we get an additional 30 million insured Americans and $300 billion earmarked for physicians in HB3961, which is the companion bill to HB 3962, I will make more money and be happy too.

You are fooling yourselves if you think this bill will make care more affordable or accessible. It will decrease both and put more control in the hand of the government and more money into the pockets of health care providers and administrators.

 

[30ashopper]

Hopfully at some point the long term costs of the Senate bill will be discussed in the media. Can you say "unsustainable"?

(If this chart doesn't scare the heck out of people, I don't know what will.)

 

[Winnie]

Hopfully at some point the long term costs of the Senate bill will be discussed in the media. Can you say "unsustainable"?

(If this chart doesn't scare the heck out of people, I don't know what will.)

Another nice chart 30ashopper!

I have given up on many people ever understanding the magnitude of trillion. Much less the consequences of costs at these levels. Million, billion, trillion, - all just numbers. Some people think there is little difference in real terms.

 

[Lynnie]

Another nice chart 30ashopper!

I have given up on many people ever understanding the magnitude of trillion. Much less the consequences of costs at these levels. Million, billion, trillion, - all just numbers. Some people think there is little difference in real terms.

I agree and I've given up on some understanding the cost of this administration.

 

[30A Skunkape]

Right, so, gold teeth and such aside, I heard this excellent piece on the house and senate bills on NPR this evening. A good 'compare and contrast' job in about 4 minutes, or, roughly 1000 pages per minute (whew). Interesting conclusion regarding what the consumer might find regarding value toward the end of the piece. Senate, House Health Bills Have Much In Common : NPR