Bible verses on weapons

[Beauty hunter]

I don't think In God We Trust should be on currency either, but it's financially lucrative to tolerate it.

I actually like "In God We Trust" on currency; but, let's follow the logic of this entire thread, Bible verses on weapons:addendum- being removed.

If we are removing small scripture references from military equipment, the next logical thing to do is to remove "In God We Trust" from US currency.

John R asks the question, "Should currency not be used by active duty military until "In God We Trust" is removed?"

In practicing the logic of this thread to the end, every vestige of God, and what He represents will soon be gone from the government.

Then we would get the exact government that we asked for.

On a side note that pertains to our local security, the thugs that robbed Hibiscus and Seacrest Sundries do not practice christian principles.

What standards will our national security be based on once God is totally removed from our government?

 

[Teresa]

big difference between In God We Trust on a coin traditionally used in this country, and Jesus' words in secret codes on war weapons used by our military. In God We Trust on a coin used by us all - words that we are familiar with - a widely accepted tradition as our country's motto, it has become part of our culture (some of the history indicates that In God We Trust was politically motivated in fairly recent history - these words were not always used on our money) ...in any case it isn't saying anything about a particular religious group's belief even if it does reference God - the point is that In God We Trust on a coin is normal for us (whether its politically correct or not - I don't know) - I do think the words are widely accepted as part of US culture.... on the other hand - having christian bible verses inscribed on military guns used by men and women of all faiths trying their best to bring justice and peace to innocent people in a faraway land by eradicating religious terrorism - is not normal. it was a mistake - leaders have taken responsibility. the manufacturer has fully coorperated and the mistake is being rectified.

Why would Jesus ever need to be on weapons of war? I strongly doubt he has a favorite team much less a weapon of choice. But Jesus does belong in the hearts of military men and women who invite him.

 

[LuciferSam]

I actually like "In God We Trust" on currency; but, let's follow the logic of this entire thread, Bible verses on weapons:addendum- being removed.

If we are removing small scripture references from military equipment, the next logical thing to do is to remove "In God We Trust" from US currency.

John R asks the question, "Should currency not be used by active duty military until "In God We Trust" is removed?"

In practicing the logic of this thread to the end, every vestige of God, and what He represents will soon be gone from the government.

Then we would get the exact government that we asked for.

On a side note that pertains to our local security, the thugs that robbed Hibiscus and Seacrest Sundries do not practice christian principles.

What standards will our national security be based on once God is totally removed from our government?

Once God is totally removed from government our national security will be based on logic and reason which you seem to be making a strong pitch for, so you ought to understand. By the way I'd like to have one of these scopes. I have no use for one, but if they're discontinued, they might one day be collectors items.

 

[Gidget]

Interesting how "In God We Trust" got on our money in the first place.

U.S. Treasury - Fact Sheet on the History of"In God We Trust"

One thing for sure. I have certainly moved to a location where there are LOTS of opinions! I'm glad for that.

G

 

[poppy]

I wonder if any of the soldiers have refused to use the sight. Can they go down the street and buy another one of the same caliber? If it was a tool I used to keep me alive in battle, and it was the best product available, I'd probably not care what was inscribed on it. WSWJU - what sight would Jesus use?

Should US currency not be allowed to be spent by active duty military since In God We Trust?

I fail to see the logic in this question.

 

[GoodWitch58]

big difference between In God We Trust on a coin traditionally used in this country, and Jesus' words in secret codes on war weapons used by our military. In God We Trust on a coin used by us all - words that we are familiar with - a widely accepted tradition as our country's motto, it has become part of our culture (some of the history indicates that In God We Trust was politically motivated in fairly recent history - these words were not always used on our money) ...in any case it isn't saying anything about a particular religious group's belief even if it does reference God - the point is that In God We Trust on a coin is normal for us (whether its politically correct or not - I don't know) - I do think the words are widely accepted as part of US culture.... on the other hand - having christian bible verses inscribed on military guns used by men and women of all faiths trying their best to bring justice and peace to innocent people in a faraway land by eradicating religious terrorism - is not normal. it was a mistake - leaders have taken responsibility. the manufacturer has fully coorperated and the mistake is being rectified.

Why would Jesus ever need to be on weapons of war? I strongly doubt he has a favorite team much less a weapon of choice. But Jesus does belong in the hearts of military men and women who invite him.

REALLY big difference in logic. Tootsie, thanks for pointing it out so well.

 

[John R]

The difference is only as large or as small as perceived by the person reading it. Maybe the person reading our currency just found it lying next to the shredded remains of his family. While watching his daughter bleed out of her non existent face, he see the words In God We trust. It's a non starter for us, but maybe not for him. Possibly it sets him to rage and he makes it his mission to walk into a US bank/embassy/school, and blow up everything in a block radius. An extreme example, no? But it could happen.

Same goes for the sights in question. Has anyone here gone to the manufacturer's website? They've been supplying our military and law enforcement since 1981. That's a lot of sights that no one has had a problem with, until now? Why? Who knows? Some religious whackjob with nothing better to do, I believe. The biblical references in question indicate light coming from darkness. The sights are low-light optical devices, enhancing vision in darkness. Something everyone who has to rely on one wants it to have, I'm pretty sure. A little play on words from the manufacturer maybe? Or possibly, they have it on there to bestow a last blessing on the person who it will impact the most, helping them find their way to the light. It's all about perception. A mistake? Maybe not. This item isn't even on the news radar anymore. What a way to waste the military's time, having to grind down these things in the field, potentially putting more service personnel in danger because they're not being utilized for their intended purpose.

Poppy, I tried to make it as simple as possible for you. Everyone interprets things differently, thank G_d.
A fascinating thread.

 

[Teresa]

Interesting how "In God We Trust" got on our money in the first place.

U.S. Treasury - Fact Sheet on the History of"In God We Trust"

One thing for sure. I have certainly moved to a location where there are LOTS of opinions! I'm glad for that.

G

I know. if not for all the many different opinions on this (and more important matters) we would never think beyond our own thought processes.

because of this discussion, I have a broader opinion on this matter. while I don't really follow John R's logic, I do appreciate it. things are hardly ever black and white. good or bad. still - I say Jesus' words were not meant for secret codes on a gun. they were meant to spoken aloud and spread to the world to inspire peace, love, kindness, strength and compassion. not hidden in a code on a killing weapon.

 

[LuciferSam]

The difference is only as large or as small as perceived by the person reading it. Maybe the person reading our currency just found it lying next to the shredded remains of his family. While watching his daughter bleed out of her non existent face, he see the words In God We trust. It's a non starter for us, but maybe not for him. Possibly it sets him to rage and he makes it his mission to walk into a US bank/embassy/school, and blow up everything in a block radius. An extreme example, no? But it could happen.

Same goes for the sights in question. Has anyone here gone to the manufacturer's website? They've been supplying our military and law enforcement since 1981. That's a lot of sights that no one has had a problem with, until now? Why? Who knows? Some religious whackjob with nothing better to do, I believe. The biblical references in question indicate light coming from darkness. The sights are low-light optical devices, enhancing vision in darkness. Something everyone who has to rely on one wants it to have, I'm pretty sure. A little play on words from the manufacturer maybe? Or possibly, they have it on there to bestow a last blessing on the person who it will impact the most, helping them find their way to the light. It's all about perception. A mistake? Maybe not. This item isn't even on the news radar anymore. What a way to waste the military's time, having to grind down these things in the field, potentially putting more service personnel in danger because they're not being utilized for their intended purpose.

Poppy, I tried to make it as simple as possible for you. Everyone interprets things differently, thank G_d.
A fascinating thread.

I don't think anybody should stop using the existing scopes or try to modify them. Same thing with our currency. None of these things should be show stoppers. I don't think it's proper however to continue to manufacture scopes with these labels and continue to distribute them, especially since a solution should be quite simple and shouldn't be too controversial. Very few people are going to object to scopes without the labels. As for the currency, however I might feel about it, it's not worth my time and effort.

 

[scooterbug44]

"In God We Trust" on our money does not fuel the rumor/propanganda that we are fighting a holy war in the land of the original religious clusterpuck, so it is a minor issue as far as I am concerned.

Despite what many will tell you, our founding fathers did NOT want this country to be a "Christian nation" or a theocracy and went to great lengths to keep it from happening - which is why it took almost a century before God was put on our national currency.