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sandybanks

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These people seem like they should know what happened to those bldg. that day.

Wednesday, April 09, 2008

14 Structural Engineers Now Publicly Challenge Government's Explanation for Destruction of the World Trade Center


14 structural engineers now publicly challenge the government's account of the destruction of the Trade Centers on 9/11:

A prominent engineer with 55 years experience, in charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects including high rise offices, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council (Marx Ayres) believes that the World Trade Centers were brought down by controlled demolition (see also this)
Two professors of structural engineering at a prestigious Swiss university (Dr. Joerg Schneider and Dr. Hugo Bachmann) said that, on 9/11, World Trade Center 7 was brought down by controlled demolition (translation here)
http://www.ae911truth.org/supporters.php?g=_AES_#998760Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says:
"Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition"​
Ronald H. Brookman, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Davis, of Novato California, writes:
"Why would all 110 stories drop straight down to the ground in about 10 seconds, pulverizing the contents into dust and ash - twice. Why would all 47 stories of WTC 7 fall straight down to the ground in about seven seconds the same day? It was not struck by any aircraft or engulfed in any fire. An independent investigation is justified for all three collapses including the surviving steel samples and the composition of the dust."​
Graham John Inman, structural engineer, of London, England, points out:
"WTC 7 Building could not have collapsed as a result of internal fire and external debris. NO plane hit this building. This is the only case of a steel frame building collapsing through fire in the world. The fire on this building was small & localized therefore what is the cause?"​
Paul W. Mason, structural engineer, of Melbourne, Australia, argues:
"In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation!"​
Mills M. Kay Mackey, structural engineer, of Denver, Colorado, points out:
"The force from the jets and the burning fuel could not have been sufficient to make the building collapse. Why doesn't the media mention that the 11th floor was completely immolated on February 13th, 1975? It had the weight of nearly 100 stories on top of it but it did not collapse?"​
Haluk Akol, Structural Engineer and architect (ret.)

Charles Pegelow, structural engineer, of Houston, Texas (and see this)

Dennis Kollar, structural engineer, of West Bend, Wisconsin

Doyle Winterton, structural engineer (retired)

Michael T. Donly, P.E., structural engineer

William Rice, P.E., structural engineer, former professor of Vermont Technical College

Postscript: Since writing this list, I have found other structural engineers who challenge the government's version of 9/11. I'm not going to constantly update the title from "14" to a higher number.

For example:

David Scott, Structural Engineer, of Scotland, argues:
"Near-freefall collapse violates laws of physics. Fire induced collapse is not consistent with observed collapse mode . . . ."​
Nathan Lomba, Structural Engineer, of Eureka, California, states
"I began having doubts about, so called, official explanations for the collapse of the WTC towers soon after the explanations surfaced. The gnawing question that lingers in my mind is: How did the structures collapse in near symmetrical fashion when the apparent precipitating causes were asymmetrical loading? The collapses defies common logic from an elementary structural engineering perspective. “If” you accept the argument that fire protection covering was damaged to such an extent that structural members in the vicinity of the aircraft impacts were exposed to abnormally high temperatures, and “if” you accept the argument that the temperatures were high enough to weaken the structural framing, that still does not explain the relatively concentric nature of the failures.

Neither of the official precipitating sources for the collapses, namely the burning aircraft, were centered within the floor plan of either tower; both aircraft were off-center when they finally came to rest within the respective buildings. This means that, given the foregoing assumptions, heating and weakening of the structural framing would have been constrained to the immediate vicinity of the burning aircraft. Heat transmission (diffusion) through the steel members would have been irregular owing to differing sizes of the individual members; and, the temperature in the members would have dropped off precipitously the further away the steel was from the flames—just as the handle on a frying pan doesn't get hot at the same rate as the pan on the burner of the stove. These factors would have resulted in the structural framing furthest from the flames remaining intact and possessing its full structural integrity, i.e., strength and stiffness.

Structural steel is highly ductile, when subjected to compression and bending it buckles and bends long before reaching its tensile or shear capacity. Under the given assumptions, “if” the structure in the vicinity of either burning aircraft started to weaken, the superstructure above would begin to lean in the direction of the burning side. The opposite, intact, side of the building would resist toppling until the ultimate capacity of the structure was reached, at which point, a weak-link failure would undoubtedly occur. Nevertheless, the ultimate failure mode would have been a toppling of the upper floors to one side—much like the topping of a tall redwood tree—not a concentric, vertical collapse.

For this reason alone, I rejected the official explanation for the collapse of the WTC towers out of hand. Subsequent evidence supporting controlled, explosive demolition of the two buildings are more in keeping with the observed collapse modalities and only serve to validate my initial misgivings as to the causes for the structural failures."​
Edward E. Knesl, civil and structural engineer, of Phoenix, Arizona, writes:
" We design and analyze buildings for the overturning stability to resist the lateral loads with the combination of the gravity loads. Any tall structure failure mode would be a fall over to its side. It is impossible that heavy steel columns could collapse at the fraction of the second within each story and subsequently at each floor bellow.

We do not know the phenomenon of the high rise building to disintegrate internally faster than the free fall of the debris coming down from the top.

The engineering science and the law of physics simply doesn't know such possibility. Only very sophisticated controlled demolition can achieve such result, eliminating the natural dampening effect of the structural framing huge mass that should normally stop the partial collapse. The pancake theory is a fallacy, telling us that more and more energy would be generated to accelerate the collapse. Where would such energy would be coming from ?"​
David Topete, civil and structural engineer, San Francisco, California

See this website and this website for further additions.

There are many other structural engineers who have questioned the government's account in private. We support them and wish them courage to discuss these vital issues publicly.

See also this.:dunno:
 
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Smiling JOe

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sandy banks, we are not the ones who wanted the answers to what happened to bldg 7. It was YOU, who wanted that info. Sounds like you found the answers to your questions. End of Story. Now, you know.
 

sandybanks

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sandy banks, we are not the ones who wanted the answers to what happened to bldg 7. It was YOU, who wanted that info. Sounds like you found the answers to your questions. End of Story. Now, you know.

Dear Joe,

I wanted to think about what I was going to say to you about your post. It was honest and even prolific. Your words not mine, "we are not the ones who wanted the answers to what happened to bldg 7." I am getting that feeling that you said a mouthful.

We don't know what happened that day, but are we not all Americans? Don't we care what happened to our neighbors. If it was Osama then I want to know, but if it was our own Gov. don't you want to know???

Do you think it will stop there? If it was our Gov. then this is the beginning of the end for all of us. Over 15,000 dead soldiers, I know you think 4,000 but your wrong. If a soldier dies and he is out of the Country they don't count them.

No one even wants to look and see if the official record is wrong, to much to read, not that important to find out. Let's just believe our Gov. they would not lie to us, not on our own Damn TV.

A video to remind you of why I want to know what happened to bldg. 7.


:cry:

What if our Gov. is Osama?
 
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Smiling JOe

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Read my lips, "you have your answer, now you know what happened." All your doubt and questions have proven worthy. You should never believe the gov't. Now that you know it was the gov't, what's next? Are you going to get them? You could always start with refusing to pay them taxes. There is your solution. Stop giving the gov't money, and they cannot operate. Since you pay taxes, it could be said that you partook in pulling bldg 7.
 

sandybanks

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Read my lips, "you have your answer, now you know what happened." All your doubt and questions have proven worthy. You should never believe the gov't. Now that you know it was the gov't, what's next? Are you going to get them? You could always start with refusing to pay them taxes. There is your solution. Stop giving the gov't money, and they cannot operate. Since you pay taxes, it could be said that you partook in pulling bldg 7.

I appreciate your humor but we both know it doesn't work that way.
 

Smiling JOe

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I didn't use any humor. I was serious. If you got a problem with what the gov't does with your money, stop giving it to them.
 

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My last post on this subject and if any choose to comment after this post I would just refer you back to this post.

AN ASS, being driven along a high road, suddenly started off and
bolted to the brink of a deep precipice. While he was in the act
of throwing himself over, his owner seized him by the tail,
endeavoring to pull him back. When the Ass persisted in his
effort, the man let him go and said, "Conquer, but conquer to
your cost."


A willful beast must go his own way

Aw dangit, you said this was your last post on this subject (although any subject would be fine). You lied. You came back and posted more completely insane crap. :roll:
 

sandybanks

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Aw dangit, you said this was your last post on this subject (although any subject would be fine). You lied. You came back and posted more completely insane crap. :roll:

I am sure the Govt. is happy to have people like you as their citizens. I understand why you are afraid to look at the evidence and don't blame you for being scared to speak out against tyranny.

I came across this information, and many had commented that Charlie Sheen was not someone to believe, so I let you see what many Engineers are saying about those bldgs. falling from fire.

Again, I don't fault you on being afraid to look at the truth.
 

Smiling JOe

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So you really didn't just want to know our thoughts so that you could make up your own mind, as you stated? Suddenly, I feel punked. I thought you really valued our thoughts on the pulling of bldg 7.
 
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