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DuneLaker

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The environment might actually be improved if we allowed drilling for oil at a good distance out and prohibited any more destruction of the shoreline by condos, extensive parking lots, sewage spills, stormwater runoff, traffic, etc. More locals might also earn a living wage. If we aren't going to drill within 100 miles, we shouldn't excavate sand either within that range to use for beach restoration. We are already causing more environmental harm to our beaches by scraping, seawalls than would probably ever be caused by oil development. Ships transporting the oil from foreign countries sail by and who knows what they spill along the way.
 

Smiling JOe

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dunelaker, I don't follow you on linking the drilling for oil to the idea of prohibiting condos, parking lots, sewage spills, stormwater runoff, traffic, etc. Are you saying that if we drill for oil, we will prohibit such activity on the shore?
 

scooterbug44

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I think she's saying all those activities are just as harmful as offshore drilling could be, so it could be environmentally neutral if we stopped those and started drilling. :dunno:
 

Smiling JOe

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I thought she was saying that it would be better (not neutral) for the environment to drill because a prohibition would occur on parking lots, condos, seawalls, scraping, etc. I don't believe in switching out bad for bad, and calling it even.
 

DuneLaker

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Hey, :wave:no. If we had drilled for oil instead of developing houses, condos, etc. along the shore, IMO, our shoreline would be in better shape today. We'd probably still have miles of huge sanddunes, less stormwater runoff, etc. The oil companies have been much better stewards than many of the condo developers. Some developers here have a corporate understanding of the environment, others do not, and have not, over the years. Millions of tax dollars would not have been spent pushing sand around or trying to save houses that will eventually fall into the Gulf. At this point, we could have oil drilling and it would have the potential of not causing any more harm to the environment and probably less than the building we are currently in the process of doing. If we drilled the oil ourselves, the transportation could be much cleaner than the current shipping in of over 60% foreign oil.
 

Smiling JOe

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I understand your explanation. Thanks. The only thing is that we cannot go back in time and not build and develop.
 

DuneLaker

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We could not build seawalls. We could build back. We could not rebuild houses that fall into the Gulf in the same spot. We could move them back. The Apalachicola Lighthouse on Little St. George Island fell into the Gulf. There is an effort to gather bricks, etc. and rebuild in much farther inland. This is also happening in other locations along the coast. Such a tough issue to discuss. I wish we would conserve more oil, find alternative fuels etc. But, if environmentalists had spent more time stopping the excessive building along our shores instead of focusing so much on ANWR the last 20 years, we'd have an overall better environment. America's coastline has been ravaged right under our noses. Builders and developers have been, and probably continue to be, more harmful to the environment than most oil companies. Their profits haven't been anything to sneeze at either. The tourist and development lobby is very strong in Florida. I wonder if their efforts to stop drilling isn't really about their high profits and not really about the environment. That's about all I've got to say. Think I'll go to a happy birthday thread.
 

BeachSiO2

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I understand your explanation. Thanks. The only thing is that we cannot go back in time and not build and develop.

If we could, I think we should add Coastal Dune Lakes into the non-buildable areas too as they are at risk from storm surge as much as some of the gulf-front properties. For example, here is the storm surge expectations for Eastern Lake from the Walton County GIS.

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Look at the eastern side of the lake. In a Category Three, all areas shown in light green, dark green and yellow are estimated to be impacted. :shock: If you look on the western side, it is only the beachfront.
 

scooterbug44

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Cool map!

I question the "surge" locations though, as they don't correlate to the flood zones/elevations that I remember when I was looking at property in the Western area. There's stuff that's red in areas so low most of it is liquid right now.:dunno:
 

BeachSiO2

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Cool map!

I question the "surge" locations though, as they don't correlate to the flood zones/elevations that I remember when I was looking at property in the Western area. There's stuff that's red in areas so low most of it is liquid right now.:dunno:

It's actually based on elevations, but I would agree that a model is only as good as the data you put into it. Keep in mind that it's also based on the inland limits of storm surge coming through the small area around the Eastern lake outfall. It doesn't take into consideration currently wet areas, only areas that will be more wet from storm surge.
 
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