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rapunzel

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Nov 30, 2005
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I prefer candidates who don't take money from non-local interests. But does that discount a candidate? For example, if a democrat running for office was receiving lobbyist money and his/her republican challenger was receiving only small local donations, would you then vote for the republican? What's more important? Voting track record? Message? Party affiliation? Character? The source of political donations?

Honestly, I have sat and met with both of the candidates in this race. I've talked to David Pleat about everything from class size to the plethora of pain clinics in south Florida. I sometimes think it is a shame that Pleat is so closely associated with opposition to near shore drilling, because often people think that he is a one issue candidate. He has a great legislative mind, and is able to jump ahead and think of the consequences years down the road. I don't agree with David Pleat on every single issue, but I know ultimately he will be a powerful voice for District 7.

This is an excerpt from an article I wrote about one meeting with Marti Coley:

Later in the day we met with our area representative, Marti Coley. Rep. Coley was gracious enough to meet with us personally (Sen. Gaetz delegated his receptionist to meet with us). She listened to each of us speak about our opposition to drilling off our coast, and ask that she support targets for renewable energy consumption. Rep. Coley seemed determined to straddle the fence -- expressing concerns about the military impact of drilling, sand acknowledging the overwhelming opposition to drilling voiced by the citizens of District 7. However, she also spoke of the need for jobs in the interior parts of the district and the hope drilling might create jobs. We reminded Rep. Coley that the top producer of wood stove pellets in the country, Green Circle, is located in Cottondale and that the company has said it would build a second plant and double the number of jobs it provides her district if Florida had renewable energy targets in place. Finally, an area business leader repeated his request that as a coastal representative, Rep. Coley help lead the fight to protect our shores against oil drilling. I have to say this for Marti Coley ? she is forthright in a way I find refreshing in a politician. She said that she would never become a crusader against drilling, because the incoming leadership was championing the drilling bill, and if she did go against Dean Cannon she would, ?lose her seat at the table.? She wanted to be involved in the inner circle, so she would be able to have some influence what is included in the bill.

The concept of that seat at the table is what I left Tallahassee thinking about. At first, there was part of me that could relate to the need to not stir things up, to be nice and hope to be able to play some quiet role in the process. As a woman who spent years working in a department of men, in a division made up of men, in a corporation run mostly by men, I know the value of being a team player. Sometimes keeping quiet and smiling while gently trying to fend off the absolute worst of the worst ideas is the most effective role allotted to a woman in an old boys? club. Unfortunately, I cannot get past the second thought ? this woman is our elected representative. Does she not feel she has earned her seat at the table? Even if she gives voice to the will of the people of her district when they don?t agree with the incoming leadership, that seat belongs to her and she should be strong enough to insist leadership allow her room to do her job. A representative's seat at the table comes not from the largesse of Dean Cannon (R ? Winter Park), the man chosen to become Speaker of the House next year, but from the people of District 7 who elected her to office.

Senator Gaetz? seat at the table is not a prize for good behavior to be awarded by Mike Haridopolos (R - Melbourne), but the huge coastal constituency. District 4 stands to have it?s entire economy jeopardized if oil rigs are erected, as they would be clearly visible from the coast. A threat to our tourism-based economy is not only a threat to those who work in the tourist industry, but every person who works or does business in this area.

What I find unsettling is that our elected representatives would support party leadership that demands loyalty and silence in exchange for that seat at the table. Why are our democratically elected representatives to a deliberative body supporting Dean Cannon and Mike Haridopolos to be Speaker of the House and President of the Senate, respectively, when these men would deny them a seat at the table if they were to stand up and fight on behalf of their districts? How are these men fit for positions of leadership if they have so little respect for the constituents Rep. Coley and Sen. Gaetz represent?

My point was simply this -- Representative Coley is playing the good girl card to excuse the fact that she refuses to work in the best interests of our district. She is a yes woman, and votes lock step with the Republican leadership. It is unhealthy for this area to be dominated by one party, so that the Party becomes more important than the people. Dean Cannon is not going to make District 7 his top priority. David Pleat will. David Pleat is a fiscally conservative, thoughtful and intelligent family man who would serve all the people of this district well.

As far as issues go, what does Marti Coley stand for? Her issues page is very light and non-specific. Further, I can name about three examples of her voting in ways that are in opposition to her stated positions. Re-elect Marti Coley, Florida House - District 7 - Top Issues
 

Bob Wells

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Jul 25, 2008
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I prefer candidates who don't take money from non-local interests. But does that discount a candidate? For example, if a democrat running for office was receiving lobbyist money and his/her republican challenger was receiving only small local donations, would you then vote for the republican? What's more important? Voting track record? Message? Party affiliation? Character? The source of political donations?

I just don't seem to get it, you just vote for the R's for the sake of the R's, does that mean you will vote for a RINO. You had problems with UNION support of Pleat to find out Ms. Coley has UNION support and recieves money. You seem to contridict yourself
 

30ashopper

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I just don't seem to get it, you just vote for the R's for the sake of the R's, does that mean you will vote for a RINO. You had problems with UNION support of Pleat to find out Ms. Coley has UNION support and recieves money. You seem to contridict yourself

Who said I was voting for Coley? ;-)
 

30A Skunkape

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Jan 18, 2006
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Uh, no. It's staggering to look at the difference between the expenditures of the two candidates.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/candidate/canlist.asp

One has used lobbyist money to pay for every meal and tank of gas they've used for the last two years. One has not taken one meal or tank of gas out of the campaign funds.

To me, it seems like the difference between Coley and Pleat is best seen in these campaign reports. Pleat is getting small amounts of money from voters in this district and spending the money on things directly related to the campaign, and Coley is spending lobbyists' money on all her personal living expenses plus a bunch of donations to non-profits. I wonder if the way they spend campaign money will have a correlation to the way they spent taxpayers' money.

Think of those dollars as an advance on her career after she is term limited/voted out. You don't think she is actually going back into the schoolhouse to teach, do you?:funn:
 
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30ashopper

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Actually I was thinking of Allen Boyd and Steve Southerland. Boyd is totally hooked into K-Street. He's not put a single dime into his own campaign, relying instead on PAC money.

Individual Contributions $526,360 (30%)
PAC Contributions $1,211,452 (68%)
Candidate self-financing $0 (0%)
Other $43,844 (2%)

Southerland on the other hand is 100% individual contribution funded.

But I'll bet most of dems on this board will vote for Boyd regardless.

My point being that contributions are important to pay attention too. But I seriously doubt most folks use it as a deciding factor. (Any care to disagree?)
 

scooterbug44

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May 8, 2007
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Southerland is too nasty, too extreme in his opinions, and too vague about how he actually proposes to change things.

I'm not a huge Boyd fan (would love to hear him justify the massive agricultural subsidies he gets and that are voted on by the Congressional committee he serves on), but I will probably vote for him instead of Southerland.

Energy policy is a big issue for me and he gets a severe thumbs down on that one. Ditto on his gun views, deregulation, reduced taxes, that Medicare/Social Security are sacred and should not be changed in ANY way, building a physical border fence ASAP, making English our official language, etc.

The only thing I agree with Southerland on is the importance of education.

(And I am basing my opinion of Southerland based on his own materials, not any opposition or attack ads.)
 

30ashopper

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Southerland is too nasty, too extreme in his opinions, and too vague about how he actually proposes to change things.

I'm not a huge Boyd fan (would love to hear him justify the massive agricultural subsidies he gets and that are voted on by the Congressional committee he serves on), but I will probably vote for him instead of Southerland.

Energy policy is a big issue for me and he gets a severe thumbs down on that one. Ditto on his gun views, deregulation, reduced taxes, that Medicare/Social Security are sacred and should not be changed in ANY way, building a physical border fence ASAP, making English our official language, etc.

The only thing I agree with Southerland on is the importance of education.

(And I am basing my opinion of Southerland based on his own materials, not any opposition or attack ads.)

Yeah Southerland is a mixed bag. Family values (ugh) mixed with an unwillingness to tackle major issues. He's sort of parroting the religious conservative talking points. Not a fan him. On the flip side, we have a guy who's earmarked millions, voted to pass ObamaCare, and is in tight with K-Street.

Another race where I'm not a fan of any candidate. Neither of the two independents appeal to me either. I'll have to hold my nose and pick someone on November 2nd. Totally sucks.
 
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