Countdown to Obamacare implosion

[jkmason]

Single payer? Half my family lives in Canada. Long, long lines, or as they say, waiting in the queue. My cousin had a disabling hernia a couple of years ago. Wait time was 1-2 years for surgery. In the mean time he was told to avoid heavy lifting and was subscribed pain medication.

My uncle was a doctor in Canada. Many of our family members were only able to get quality and timely care because of his "connections" and his ability to navigate the complex system.

The Canadian system's pressure valve is the United States health care system. When the Canadians cannot get their health care in a timely fashion or it will be too late, they come to the good ol US. Of course they have to have the cash.

 

[Bob Wells]

Single payer? Half my family lives in Canada. Long, long lines, or as they say, waiting in the queue. My cousin had a disabling hernia a couple of years ago. Wait time was 1-2 years for surgery. In the mean time he was told to avoid heavy lifting and was subscribed pain medication.

My uncle was a doctor in Canada. Many of our family members were only able to get quality and timely care because of his "connections" and his ability to navigate the complex system.

The Canadian system's pressure valve is the United States health care system. When the Canadians cannot get their health care in a timely fashion or it will be too late, they come to the good ol US. Of course they have to have the cash.

I have seen a few flown back via a private air ambulance to Canada for treatment because it was cheaper to fly them home than paying to have it done here.

 

[PoppaJ]

Would the average Canadian rather have their system or ours and who says we should use the Canadian system as our model? There are other systems that could be a starting point for modeling. We might need to rid ourselves of for profit insurance companies first.

 

[jkmason]

Once you start taking profit out of the system (health care providers, doctors, equipment manufacturers, etc) your care options, including your ability to find a family doctor will slowly diminish. It is very difficult to find a family doctor in Canada. Fewer and fewer people go into the profession because it is no long profitable. Even though they have government provided insurance, a lot of Canadians just go to the ER just like the uninsured here in the US. Isn't that ironic.

 

[LarsAtTheBeach]

If it had been the original plan things would be much better, but the insurance company's got involved and they are the ones really making the money off of this. Either out of your pocket or out of your tax dollars (when subsidies apply).

Single payer is the way to go.

Ye-P
It's the fault of the insurance companies. Unconstitutional legislation and crooked political games has nothing to do with the Obamacare Cluster...right???

 

[Matt J]

Ye-P
It's the fault of the insurance companies. Unconstitutional legislation and crooked political games has nothing to do with the Obamacare Cluster...right???

Go back to Michigan.

 

[LarsAtTheBeach]

Go back to Michigan.

 

[carson]

Actually, insurance companies are losing billions and pulling out of many markets. A hybrid capitalist / socialist system doesn't work. Google insurance company losses since Obamacare and you will find many non partisan articles like this one. Higher rates, less competition. This year in 32459 you had United and FL Blue. A silver level plan costs me $1288 a month for three people with no health problems, no standing Dr. appointments and a 5k family deductible and basically doesn't cover too much. This is more than I paid for a gold plan for four people three years ago which was $1107.

Obamacare Is in Trouble

 

[RiverOtter]

So here is my "Affordable" Health Care story. TN Resident, no, none, zip, nada maintenance drugs. After my wife retired from her 8-5 gig working for The Man, we were on our own for Health Ins. At 1st it was awesome. Under $400 / month for a family of 4 but of course a $10K deductible. Enjoyed that for around a year then "Affordable" HC act came around, next increase was a little over $400 (still no big deal), 3 months later increased to $600 something (starting to be a big deal) 3 months laster increased to $900 / monty (BIG FREAKING DEAL!) and just got word our buddies at the "Affordable" HCA approved our renewal premiums to top $1,400. Still have a $10K deductible. So, I'm not a fan.

 

[Jenksy]

I can see this being repealed with in the next term.

Yes I'm sure since the last 53 attempts at repeal worked so well.