Customary Use of SoWal Beaches: Contact Governor Scott
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Doesn't seem to be turning off any tourist yet. Not saying it won't happen but long lines are just part of vacationing to a tourist community. I remember going to Disney world in the summer and boy that was mistake but I still had the time of my life.
Because when a family only has a six to eight week window each year to vacation the good places are going to be crowded. It's normal, it's expected, and the numbers prove this is a popular, beautiful, affordable place to vacation within a one day driving distance for millions of Americans. Seems the only ones who constantly complain about crowds are the locals.
Danny, I think you are a reasonable conscientious guy. You’ve lived up north your whole life and been around. You should remember what SoWal was like in the 1990s and 2000s and before. I do. Quite, friendly. Beachfront with an old Florida cottage was what $4,000 a linear foot of beach? $200,000 for 50 feet of beachfront. Much more than 75% of the 26 miles of beaches were private property to the MHWL then. If the BCC claim customary use applies now; why wouldn’t the BCC have claimed it apply back then? How did the Walton economy and people survive before the 2000s? I remember Walton had a good economy and good jobs then too. Why is the Walton BCC Chapman, C. Jones, S. Comander, Larry Jones, T. Anderson, and previous commissioners Imfeld, and Meadows only now claiming customary use of private property? Because of beachfront owners threaten women and children on their property according to the BCC?
Only now shifting the burden to private property owners to make their private property, beachfront owners pay the taxes on, available to every person in America because of these commissioner’s inept management of Walton’s growth and the TDC myth that all Walton beaches are public. Starting twenty years ago when Walton created the TDC and tax tourist millions of dollars a year to promote the area without any plan for infrastructure or regard for the 75%+ beachfront owner’s private property rights. Walton’s BCC failure to manage supply and the demand is not a reason to burden me with litigation to take the property rights I have had and still have.
I’ve ask you and others before; What if private property owner’s rights prevail? Walton BCC now has the burden of proof in court before passing an ordinance (as it should have been but the FL legislature had to step in to right that wrong) as the Plaintiff against private property rights.
I don’t know the details but I heard the Goodwins may have won their customary use case. The Goodwins prevailed against Walton for marking the property boundaries and protecting their property as I their right. Beachfront owners prevailed in Federal court against Walton’s sign ordnance. And the BCC will likely have to pay property owner’s attorney fees and court costs. July 1, 2018 Walton will have to start all over again in court as the Plaintiff.
I know you have said Walton should purchase at fair market value all the beachfront that is available. Walton has over 32,000 feet of public beachfront available. How much beachfront do you think Walton needs to purchase to meet the demand to sustain Walton’s economy? The remaining 20 miles? How much would you tax me and the property owners to buy beachfront AND build infrastructure? Commissioner Comander stated she’d spend $40 or $50 million tax payer dollars just on litigating customary use. Would excessive local taxes hurt the economy?
I hope you can bring reason to the BCC but pursuing millions of dollars of tax payer’s dollars litigation and shifting the burden to 900+ private property owners is NOT how to do it. Good luck on your campaign.
I've been here 56 years and my family has been here since the 1820's. My great grandparents camped on the beach for a couple of weeks every year and could have bought as much beachfront as they wanted for .50 cents an acre. Up into the 1980's we camped fished and drove on the beach basically anywhere we wanted. No one claimed customary use because it was not necessary.
Times change and today more people live in South Walton than lived in the entire county 30 years ago. So yes, I support purchasing as much beachfront as possible and support building infrastructure to support our economic engine: tourism. I also support encouraging new business to diversify our economy and bring better paying jobs for our citizens. Economic growth is the only way to build infrastructure and keep taxes low. And if the choice is buy land or pay lawyers I buy land. Ownership is the only guarantee of public access. But until diversification is achieved, our economy depends on tourists and the public having access to the beach.
Thanks Danny. Great politician answer. Why didn’t you answer one question asked. Why did you avoided taking a position that the Walton BCC, you are a candidate for, is or is not justified shifting the burden to private property owners to make their private property, beachfront owners pay the taxes on, available to any person because of previous commissioner’s inept management of Walton’s growth and the TDC myth that all Walton beaches are public. Do you agree or disagree and why? I’d guess you disagree with the premise and/or think the ends (tourists money) justify the means (shifting burden of beach use over owner property rights) but many are interested in your position on customary use and its justification, costs, and risks.
What if private property owner’s rights prevail? Then what? Walton will have angered those that own 20 miles or 75% of the beach property in Walton.
How much beachfront do you think Walton needs to purchase to meet the demand to sustain Walton’s economy? The remaining 20 miles?
Would you be willing to raise Walton County property taxes to buy beachfront AND build infrastructure? If you had to choose one. Which one and why?
Are taxes too high now for growth? I pay much more in Walton property taxes than even State sales tax and Federal income taxes combined. At least 100% of property taxes are deducible. Or was.
I answered the questions as best as I can with the information given. Every square inch of Walton County contributes in some form or fashion to the economy of our county. Beach, farms, towns, industrial, residential. Everything counts and everything is needed. Fact is that currently the beach is the #1 economic engine for the county, both for jobs, economic impact and government revenue. Our tax rates are low, but property worth a million is going to pay much more in actual dollars than a property that is worth 100,000. Since property values are growing, then by definition taxes are not too high for growth. As a matter of principle I am opposed to any tax increases. Current revenue levels are sufficient to buy beachfront AND build needed infrastructure. As far as what happens if something does or does not happen in the future, I do not speculate on what ifs. I will say that if I am elected I will carefully examine each and every proposal and I will not be bound by what has been done in the past but will work to find solutions that help as many citizens as possible and protect our economy and way of life. I think that the best practices and best government is one that operates in a manner that does not draw lawsuits from anyone. Currently we are being sued by property owners, citizens opposed to breaking the development rules, employees who are harassed and mistreated and many other issues. Following the law and the rules could have prevented most of these suits. I also believe in transparent government and being responsive to citizens which is why I am here answering your questions in the first place. I certainly do not think what has been done, or the lack of action in many cases, is in the best interests of our citizens or I would not be running. We can do much better.
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Thanks Danny I do appreciate your reply. Unlike the current commissioners who ignore constituent's questions. I get the; it depends, I need more information, and I’ll look into that, kind of answers. But you have been involved in this issue and other issues for 56 years. You know the principles being claimed.
Fact is that currently the beach is the #1 economic engine for the county…
[and 75% is privately owned property with rights of private enjoyment of their property that owners have had and have today.]
As a matter of principle I am opposed to any tax increases.
Since your are talking about your principles. What is your principle regarding (1) Fifth Amendment individual private property rights and (2) common law public customary use for tourist money? You know all the arguments over the years. Based on facts and not opinions which is superior in Walton County and why? What are the costs and the risks to Walton tax payers? What if it was your personal money to litigate and not tax payers money? Do you support litigating the claim of public customary use against 900+ Walton private property owners after July 1, 2018? That's a hard question to any candidate because the majority of voters do, IMO. But what is the right thing to do when given individual rights and claimed public rights conflict?
Current revenue levels are sufficient to buy beachfront AND build needed infrastructure.
At some point, maybe not here, you will need to explain that to the voters and property-tax payers how.
As far as what happens if something does or does not happen in the future [like if property owners prevail?], I do not speculate on what ifs.
That’s what your duty is as a Commissioner. Lead, plan for the future, have a plan A and plan B, spend/invest tax payers money like it is your own. Protect individual rights and work in the interests of ALL Walton County residents and tax payers. Unlike the current BCC Anderson, Chapman, C. Jones, Comander or staff. What if property owners prevail?
I will say that if I am elected I will carefully examine each and every proposal and I will not be bound by what has been done in the past but will work to find solutions that help as many citizens as possible and protect our economy and way of life.
At some point, maybe not here, you will need to explain that to the voters and property-tax payers how.
I think that the best practices and best government is one that operates in a manner that does not draw lawsuits from anyone. Currently we are being sued by property owners, citizens opposed to breaking the development rules, employees who are harassed and mistreated and many other issues. Following the law and the rules could have prevented most of these suits.
We agree! How?
I also believe in transparent government and being responsive to citizens which is why I am here answering your questions in the first place.
We agree! Thank you. How?
Thank you Danny for being up front. Wish you luck in your campaign. Hope to see your response and have other discussions that matter to Walton residents and tax payers.
Danny, save your answers for the election. Thanks for your input. If I had to vote between you and (incompetent IMO) incumbent Commissioner Cecelia Jones. I'd vote for you hands down. If the choice is individual Constitutional property rights vs risking millions of Walton tax payer's money to litigate a narrow doctrine of customary use for tourist dollars and maybe getting nothing in return except the prevailing attorney's million dollar bill too? I hope you think hard about your principles and support and defend the Constitution and not just do what's expedient. Good luck.