Deer Lake State Park [update - not closing]

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  1. beachmouse

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    A bunch of people are playing chicken right now with the state budget, which is apparently even worse off than anyone thought during the last special session.

    This is he downside of relying on sales tax so much in place of property taxes for a state/local budget- property taxes are more sticky downward, and you can at least more or less plan reliably on incoming revenues in that area for the fiscal year.
     
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    Does anybody know if TDC has weighed in on this yet?
     
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    If our memory serves us correctly, you don't have to pay at that park -- why is this? We would be more than happy to contribute $$ every time we visit to help keep the park open.
     
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    Nice photo :clap: thanks for sharing!
     
  5. Mark Partington

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    The nice part about this park is the fact it's not rife with amenities. It used to take some real nature lovin....seriously; to walk thru the roped off area before the access...like standing on the sun. I understand the need for public access; hence the beach walk over...till the bikes started shooting down there. Also much easier to 'roller' mounds of amenities out there...which has its downside. Lord...Bobby J always reminds me to wait 24 hrs before hitting the send button; but really: what's up? Its getting pretty transparent.

    Lakewood...that little 3 max car"nook" is public, but I dont get the 'development' idea there; build parking ....where? Gramma's garden?
    More starbucks.

    This was one of the last places we recognized.
    Posiden will be taking all this back soon.......
     
  6. Matt J

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    Sorry I should have clarified further that this park does already have parking. It is the parking lot North East at the corner.

    Little upkeep, no full bathrooms. It's what the park service refers to as a "primitive" park. The more facilities the more rangers. The ranger over Deer Lake is also in charge of the surrounding forest. Where as the Grayton Ranger is only responsible for the Park and the Cabins.
     
  7. DuneLaker

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    Lakewood...that little 3 max car"nook" is public, but I dont get the 'development' idea there; build parking ....where? Gramma's garden?
    More starbucks.

    I think we might be talking about two different places. There is a very small public park at the stop sign on Lakewood/Lakeview Dr. for Eastern Lake. Nothing much needs to be done there. It is nice little park like it is. There is another county park ON THE BEACH about 1/2 mile from that park. It is between two condos and is a fairly nice broad beach area. While I'd prefer on one hand to not have any more development on the beach, with the larger number of people on the beach not staying at an adjacent condo, some more bathrooms are really going to be necessary. The right of way along the road that already exists might deserve a look at providing more public parking. A bathroom at the Eastern Lake outfall would also be helpful to this general area. But, back to Deer Lake State Park. We sholuld just leave this alone as much as possible and keep it open to the public. Personally, I didn't like the large somewhat overdone walkover. But, it is an awesome place to walk through and sit on one of the benches to view the dunes like all used to be.

    I agree with earlier post by SB that with so much being taken care of by other entities like Walton County Sheriff and TDC, just what budget cuts are they talking about that would close the park?
     
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    Hey, don't drag me into this. I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm with you, I think it's much ado about nothing.
     
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    Your quote from days gone by, "it's called business", rings in my ears often when it comes to a party exercising leverage over another in the name of business. You are in good company, Larry Davis from Rosemary used that line on me in 2000 in a real estate dispute and I saw Al Pacino use a variant in Oceans 13 too.
     
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    Anybody see the correlation?

    Has anyone else out here noticed that the Coastal Dune Lake Advisory Board is influenced by St. Joe through Mary Rosenheim? At about the same time of her installation to the Board, The St. Joe Company purchased a controlling interest in Wild Heron and its frontage on Lake Powell. It has been rumored for some time that Lake Powell is under consideration for a more permanent opening to the Gulf through a gulf/lake pass. Again, coincidentally, JOE purchased the Bay Point Marina in an effort to have a more complete series of points of conection to the waterways of North West Florida.

    Trivia questions: Does the Coastal Dune Lake Advisory Board have the authority to open connections to the gulf? Who else has the same permission? How many JOE communities front on Coastal Dune Lakes? How many CDL's are there in the world? Who has more present influence over openings of CDL's to the Gulf than JOE? Is Deer Lake State Park the planned access to the Gulf for any of JOE's competitors?
     
  11. scooterbug44

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    While I wouldn't put anything past St. Joe, this isn't an isolated incident.

    Parks & historic sites across the country are being closed or having reduced hours and services due to budget cuts.

    Personally I could find FAR better places to cut items out of the budget - starting w/ perks, travel, and per diems for politicians.
     
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    Others are likely more well versed in your answers but I think I am right on a few of them as I was a technical advisor many years ago when the baord was first established. Also, I have numbered your original questions in hope of keeping them straight (for me).

    First MR is no longer on the advisory board. As for your questions:

    1. No the CDL does not have the authority to open connections.

    2. In Walton County, only the County has the ability to get a permit for the opening.

    3. Three St. Joe communities have property fronting the CDL, as do a number of other private owners.

    4. There is no good accounting of how many CDL's exist in the world although a number of locations are frequently mentioned. There are extremely rare, but no one truly knows exactly how rare.

    5. The most frequently opened lake in Walton County is Eastern Lake in which St. Joe owns no property so I don't see how they have "more influence" than anyone else.

    6. I don't know.
     
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    I wouldn't mind a bit to see all these parks sold off for development in private hands and the proceeds of sale going to pay off government debt. Further, at least an equal amount of government programs and offices should be closed immediately too.
     
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    NO! Our parks, nature preserves, forests etc. should NOT be privatized!

    Budget cuts can be made MANY other places that do not reduce our quality of life. Closing a park or selling it off affects thousands and is irrevocable - taking away an excessive government perk or looking for increased efficiency is a far better idea.
     
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    When Did Mary leave the post?

    Does anyone from JOE sit on the Advisory Board at this time?

    I'm counting The Retreat/Draper....Watercolor/Western......Watersound West Beach/Deer Lake.....Watersound Beach/Camp Creek......Watersound(North)/Lake Powell so far.

    I understand that it is on the advice of the CDL Board that the lakes are opened.

    What would you estimate the increase in Real Estate valuation would be for JOE's holdings on Lake Powell if a more regularly navigable pass were openend and maintained? My guess......$600,000,000
     
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    FYI for anyone who is interested:

    I emailed Governor Crist this morning and asked that he reconsider the closing of Deer Lake. I received a reply from one of his aides in the Legislative Office and she indicated that my concern would be added to the information they had on park closing; she also suggested I contact my local legislative delegation, which I have done.

    I know from my years in the Governor's office that information from the local community counts more than most other information, so if anyone else wants to add to the emails, you can reach the Governor via: Charlie.Crist@myFlorida.com.
     
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    I will check on Mary as I may be wrong but it was my understanding that she had left the CDL Board, but she is still on the County's CDL website. I don't remember who would have filled that position but will try to find that out also.

    I was thinking of the Retreat, Watercolor and Watersound as the three communities not the distinct pieces. Please be aware that Deer Lake, Camp Creek, or Draper have never been opened "officially" by anyone, unless DuneLaker knows of a time way back, and in today's permitting climate it is not getting any easier to get permits for new lake openings.

    The opening of the lakes are due to emergency conditions and impacts to structures on upland properties that would lisk health and safety. Not docks and accesory structures, but septic tanks and major habitable structures. To that point, I am unaware of any St. Joe property that would meet those conditions as they are set back from the wtaer's edge far enough that the triggering event would be a single family residence outside the property boundries of a St. Joe community.

    As for Lake Powell, I do not believe that they would ever get the state and/or federal permits to open and maintain an opening. Furthermore, if they did I am very confident that Walton County would stringently object due to the downdrift impacts caused from the opening of the channel. it would most likely lead to downdrift erosion of the Camp Helen/Inlet Beach area (which is already deemed "critically eroded" by the state), and impacts might be observed in the Rosemary Beach area. Moreover, the actual pass would be unable to maintained without structures leading to even more permitting and impacts. I guess my point is that on the state and federal levels the likelihood of this occurring is extremely slim.
     
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    I have traversed th pass at Lake Powell several times by boat when conditions are favorable. The CDL Board has the ability to recommend the opening to the permitting authority at any time it should choose to. If anyone has the clout and motivation to have a pass maintained at Lake Powell it is JOE. I just thought it coincidental that a igh ranking JOE exec with civil engineering expertise fond her position at the Board.
     
  19. Matt J

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    Draper lake was opened officially if I remember correctly and it was pretty recently.

    AAbsolute, St. Joe can use all the influence they like, however the "land" that exists where an opening could be installed is owned by Pinnacle Port and the next land owner to the west would be the State of Florida and Camp Helen state park. I seriously doubt that St. Joe is going to try and open a permanent pass as Wild Heron doesn't really have an area to install a marina nor would the DEP allow such construction on a CDL. To go thru this effort doesn't make sense considering the amount of land that Joe owns on the intercoastal.
     
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    It could be less conspiracy and more local involvement by Joe employees as it is one of their missions.
     

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