Deer Lake State Park [update - not closing]

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  1. Creeklover

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    How about we keep Deer lake open and close Topsl` park we could save more money by doing this.
     
  2. mikecat adjuster

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    I appreciate your opinion. It can make sense for someone to not want to pay for something that they don't feel they use. I know that somethimes people argue, let's say elderly people or those without kids, that they should not have to pay the high propertry taxes in states like Texas, because a large portion of those taxes goes to the schools, and those elderly individuals or parentless people don't have kids who attend those nice schools.

    But I just believe that Deer lake SP is worth a few grand a year. I also understand your point about a few grand adding up over the state, but an earlier post about the politicain who went overseas and those who joined him on the tax payers coin, surely you would agree that large sum of money should be cut before a state park. There are obviously many frivolous ways that money is spent, thus I consider this park to be priority over so many of them.

    Okay, sorry, but don't read if you don't like sarcasm. This is in response to the fact that deer lake has 'little use'... I rarely see anyone in any of the dune lakes. How about we drain them of water, fill them in, and have more real estate for sale near the beach. Heck, virtualy no one uses them anyway.

    Also, I don't see anyone using the sky above the homes around here, why the heck aren't we using that space to build monsrosity skyscraper condos like in Panama City and other beach resorts. I mean, look at the possible use we are squandering.

    Come on.
     
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    There are alternatives to Government ownership and Private Development. If it's worth remaining in its preserved state it can be purchased by one of the many nature conservancies.

    Why do the taxpayers have to bear the costs associated with ownership?
     
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    To use the county as a case in point, I haven't used the fire department, and hope not to, but I'm glad to help fund the county providing it. On the other hand, there are some county services I don't use, don't intend to use, and don't care for. But, I accept that my taxes will pay for them, because we don't have a system of selective taxation. One of government's historic responsibilities is furnishing parks for public use. Whether you personally like that or not, a portion of your taxes will be used for parks. And that's why the taxpayer should bear the burden. Despite fond wishes of some, most government functions don't function well in private hands and won't be privatized. So it goes...
     
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    Looks like M C is doing pretty good...

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    Remember, M C controls these as well for conservation...


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    I think this is all private conservation. I'm sure the State and County could get buyers who would keep the property in its current state.

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  8. Matt J

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    There are groups that buy up land for conservation. However they donate them back to local, state, and federal government. Whether you like it or not government is one of the few entities that will be around long enough and have the resources to hold onto this land. Most of the great land owners in Florida that have donated land to the State and Federal governments did so as they knew that their wishes for that land would be respected.

    Edward Ball donated his private lodge at Wakulla Springs to the State because he knew the state would keep it preserved as it was the day he died. Edward Ball was also one of the original St. Joe board members. He was also good friends with Alfred Maclay who donated Maclay Gardens to the state. In fact almost every state park in North Florida that started off as a private estate was related to Edward Ball in some way and he always encouraged them to donate the land to the state as it would be preserved and undeveloped.

    If you ever go to FSU and tour the campus you will see a large grass portion in the middle of the campus known as Landis Green. It was donated by the Landis family's matriarc who was a graduate of the then Florida state school for women. She left strict instructions that it would be held by her family, but with perpetual use and care by the state if left as a green. If ever developed the family would be able to take it back.

    Both of these examples are why people have donated land to the state, but the most important reason was for anybody and everybody to use and enjoy.
     
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  9. waltonco lover

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    What does M C's land have to do with it? Deer Lake is a nice park, that is on the BEACH!
     
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    I figured M C's land was a good example of non-government conservation.
     
  11. Santiago

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    And you figured right. It's a great example of non-government conservation. The fact that Deer Lake Park is on the beach is inconsequential. It can work there just like it did in Freeport. My only worry would be that the slimey governor that's in office now would try to sell it to JOE on his way out the door.
     
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    I found this article on USA Today

    By Laura Bruno, USA TODAY
    State parks and historical sites are facing cuts as governors seek to plug budget holes.

    From scenic vistas and campgrounds to historical buildings, the cuts have forced closures and curtailed visiting hours.

    Illinois has taken among the most drastic actions so far, closing seven parks and cutting the historical preservation budget in half, from $5.6 million to $2.8 million, according to David Blanchette, spokesman for the Illinois Historic Preservation Agency.

    That has meant the shuttering of 12 historical sites, including the Lincoln Log Cabin, where Lincoln's father and stepmother lived, and the Dana-Thomas House, designed by architect Frank Lloyd Wright, effective Dec. 1, Blanchette said.

    "There's a hole, a sadness ? we wanted to put a black wreath on the door because we're certainly in mourning, said Gayle Manning, 67, of Petersburg, Ill., a longtime Dana-Thomas House volunteer.


    The closures could bring wider economic problems, including delayed maintenance, parks advocates say.

    "As all states are promoting tourism, what kind of message does this send?" asked Jim Peters, president of Landmarks Illinois, a historic preservation advocacy group. "There is the potential loss of hundreds of millions of dollars for restaurants ? retail shops and hotels."

    State park cuts put in place nationwide include:

    ?New York: Seventy-five parks and historical sites will see a service reduction, from features closed for the winter to early closure of 10 campgrounds, said Eileen Larrabee of the New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation.

    ?New Jersey: The state backed off a plan to close nine parks and instead closed administrative offices at 19 parks, affecting access to restrooms and shops, according to the state Department of Environmental Protection.

    ?Ohio: Three cuts, amounting to $5.7 million, were ordered this year, according to Dan West, chief of the Ohio Department of Natural Resources. "It's getting progressively hard to take these types of cuts and yet keep state parks open," he said.

    ?Georgia: The closing of six state parks and seven historical sites were proposed for next year, says Beth Brown, of the Georgia Department of Natural Resources.

    ?Florida: Nineteen state parks are at risk of closing, said Doug Tobin of the Florida Department of Environmental Protection.

    Bruno reports for the Daily Record in Morris County, N.J.
     
  13. ShallowsNole

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    I may be beating a dead horse here, but...

    Once upon a time, we had one state park in SoWal: Grayton Beach State Park. :wub:

    Then, in the late 1960s/early 1970s (don't have to time look it up right now), Lois Maxon donated the Wesley House, the antiques she had filled it with, and the gardens she had planted (or had someone else plant) down to the site of the old Wesley/Strickland timber mill to the state. At that point, we had Eden, later named Eden Gardens State Park. :wub:

    In the mid-to-late 1980's, a developer - maybe more than one - announced plans to develop the pristine, sensitive, historic acreage between Beach Highlands and Four Mile Village. This was not an eco-friendly development plan; instead, it was gaudy. Simply gaudy. Long story, but the developer ran out of gas in the savings & loan crisis and after much petitioning, the state bought it. :wub: Hello Topsail.

    I am not quite sure how Deer Lake came into being; apparently it was during a time when I wasn't paying attention. I remember riding ATV's back there in the mid-1980's (I know, I know, I didn't know then, sorry) and I remember that being the place that became popular with the nudies after the development of Rosemary Beach got underway. During the last decade, we have seen every square inch of this coastline greedily developed, often without any thought and often with disrespect as to what nature intended or what the future will hold. While we as residents have benefitted from the services and neighbors that came with the development, the one thing that is most precious to us - a quiet, serene afternoon at the beach - has slid further and further away.

    Finding a quiet place at the county accesses has become a ridiculous impossibility, and this - to me - is the attractiveness of the state parks. They can get crowded, but typically your fellow beachgoers show restraint in their behavior and their respect for the environment there. It would be a travesty, and ultimately a irrepairable tragedy, to see Deer Lake and/or Topsail fall once again into the greedy grasp of a developer.

    Crawling down from the soap box...
     
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    I think the RV park makes it hard to mess with Topsail. It puts them into a position where the campers can cover the expenses for maintaining the rest of it, and it's politicially hard to get rid of a state park that's self-funding.
     
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    completely agree. I still have not heard a peep from Sonny at the TDC, but will continue to see if there are some alternatives that will keep Deer Lake open. It seems to me the easiest approach might be simply to add it to the list of state parks that require a fee.


    It breaks my heart when I think of how beautiful this area used to be and how I did not appreciate it (especially the Dunes) as much as I should have. I just never thought that developers would build on all the dunes. They (the Dunes) had always been there and those of us who grew up with them, would not have thought to build there.
     
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    On an issue like this, if you already have an unreturned call into him, I would suggest calling again. Maybe we should all call him?
     
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    The whole talk of State owned parks reminds me of something from when I was younger. There was a private landowner in NJ who had created a retreat. At some point, for some political reason, the State took the land through eminent domain. The State needed the land for a public park. The State opened a great public golf course. Later, when they realized they could not effectively run all the course operations they joint ventured with local businesses. All you needed to know was the name and number of my Senator and some contacts within NJ DEP and you were pitching your plan to privatize.

    Politics is a business. The more liberal, the more self refuting.
     
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    Sonny has been out of town; he returned my email today. He will be checking with the state officials and will get back to me. He said he would ask them for detailed information and what their plan is...
     
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    A.) You're referencing New Jersey.
    B.) You're talking about a public golf course. That's a far cry from a state park on a rare coastal dune lake.

    In fact as far as I know the closure of Deer Lake State park is actually effectively closing 25% of the parks in the United States that have coastal dune lakes.

    Since it'll come up the only other ones with/or on coastal dune lakes would be Tops'l State park, Grayton Beach state park, and Camp Helen state park.
     
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    There's something contained in what I said above that you may not see the first time you read it. ;-)
     

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