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Travel2Much

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JB said:
... And again, why not use rip-rap to repair the especially vulnerable areas, then cover with white sand and sea oats on top of that? It would utilize much less sand, provide better stabilzation, and no one would be able to tell the difference once the project was completed.

That's exactly what the variance is intended to do. There is a big story about it in the NW Fla. Daily News today. Don't know if it is available on line. Basically, the variance to the white sand ordinance was to allow slightly darker sand of 6 or higher on the Munsell color scale (whatever that is) rather than the usual 8 or higher. It is temporary, and to shore up houses that are endangered. And, residents are encouraged to use the white stuff first.

The article also says they are starting beach scraping next week, if DEP approvals can be secured. :?: :?: :?:

The article also says that one of the leading opponents in the on-going legal feud b/w the county and western county residents about that restoration project has "changed his mind" about property owners rights. What a surprise.

The article also says that 90% of beachfront properties have suffered damage from erosion.
 

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JB said:
*If* there was to be a full-scale dredging project, would this not provide whiter sand than sand taken from inland areas? Sugar-white, powdery beaches are the trademark of the west/central panhandle. It is no doubt among the prettiest beaches in the world. Anything and everything should be be done to to try and keep these beaches looking as they always have. IMO, it's the main allure of the area and what initally attracted people here in the early 20th century.

And again, why not use rip-rap to repair the especially vulnerable areas, then cover with white sand and sea oats on top of that? It would utilize much less sand, provide better stabilzation, and no one would be able to tell the difference once the project was completed.

It depends on where you dredge and how deep. The State identifies pockets of white sand that are suitable, like underwater sandpits. Also, you can be dredging in a good spot, bringing up white sand, and a wave trough can cause your barge and therefore your intake tube to go to deep and you can get the brown stuff.

Any manmade item like rip rap placed within reach of a storm (which is a very long reach we are finding) will eventually be uncovered. Imagine 26 miles of rocks, concrete, aluminum, etc. uncovered at once and you get an ugly picture.
 

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Travel2Much said:
That's exactly what the variance is intended to do. There is a big story about it in the NW Fla. Daily News today. Don't know if it is available on line. Basically, the variance to the white sand ordinance was to allow slightly darker sand of 6 or higher on the Munsell color scale (whatever that is) rather than the usual 8 or higher. It is temporary, and to shore up houses that are endangered. And, residents are encouraged to use the white stuff first.

The article also says they are starting beach scraping next week, if DEP approvals can be secured. :?: :?: :?:

The article also says that one of the leading opponents in the on-going legal feud b/w the county and western county residents about that restoration project has "changed his mind" about property owners rights. What a surprise.

The article also says that 90% of beachfront properties have suffered damage from erosion.

Can you post a link to the article?

There has always been a very strict law against bringing in anything but white sand south of 30-A, because of the fear that it will eventually mix with natural sand and degrade the quality on the beaches. You can't even use non-white sand as fill in your yard, 1/2 mile from the beach in Grayton.

It was said in the meeting yesterday and I think most there accepted that covering non-white sand with white wouldn't keep the non-white hidden after the first rain and certainly not after the next storm.
 

Travel2Much

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kurt said:
Can you post a link to the article?

There has always been a very strict law against bringing in anything but white sand south of 30-A, because of the fear that it will eventually mix with natural sand and degrade the quality on the beaches. You can't even use non-white sand as fill in your yard, 1/2 mile from the beach in Grayton.

It was said in the meeting yesterday and I think most there accepted that covering non-white sand with white wouldn't keep the non-white hidden after the first rain and certainly not after the next storm.

Well, you are running into one of my many idiosyncracies here. The darn online version requires registration AND lots of personally identifiable information, with no indication of how it will be used, and I refuse to register for sites that that. Here's the web page:

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/index.shtml

The article is in section C (Local/State news), p.1 in today's paper, headlines "Darker Fill Sand is OK", byline Heather Civil.
 

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Here's the text:

SANTA ROSA BEACH ? More than 100 panicked property owners breathed a collective sigh of relief Thursday when the Walton County Commission voted to allow them to use dark sand to shore up homes and businesses endangered by severe beach erosion.
At an emergency meeting, the commission decided to loosen the county?s existing white sand color restrictions so that property owners can repair damage from Hurricane Dennis before another storm comes.
?Our biggest enemy here is time,? County Commissioner Scott Brannon said.
White sand has a high price tag and is harder to come by than darker sand.
That has created problems for property owners in need of a fast way to reinforce foundations, said county Planning and Development Director Pat Blackshear.
?Many homeowners are having a hard time finding a source to stabilize their homes on a temporary basis that meets the standards,? she said.
About 90 percent of the beachfront properties along the Walton coastline have suffered damage from stormrelated beach erosion, Blackshear said.
Walton County?s white sand requirement allows only granules that fall at an 8 or higher on the Munsell color scale, which ranks color on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being whitest.
The county is temporarily allowing the use of darker sand that rates a 6 or higher on the Munsell scale to be used as fill under endangered structures.
Storm surge from the hurricane sliced through sand dunes like a hot knife through butter, destroying some homes and leaving hundreds of others teetering at the edges of unstable sand cliffs.
Hugh Lambert worries that his property in Four Mile Village may fall victim to the erosion.
Dennis? impact on the beaches there impressed him so much that he has reversed his stand against beach renourishment and fully supports the use of dark sand for repairs.
Lambert is not a party to the ongoing lawsuits on the issue but has been a vocal opponent.
?I was wrong,? he said. ?I?ve changed my mind.?
Walton County is close to two sand mining pits that provide white sand: Owl?s Head Sod Farm in Freeport and the Sikes Highway 20 Sand Pit in Chipley.
Brad Pickel, director of beach management with the Walton County Tourist Development Council, urged property owners to exhaust all possible sources of white sand before using the darker granules.
?If there?s good beach quality soil there, it?s a bad idea to leave it sitting in a pit,? he said.
Those in search of white sand could run into problems, however.
Owl?s Head provides sand only to certain contractors, and the Sikes pit has limited supplies of sand readily available.
The cost of white sand could also hinder speedy repairs.
White sand averages about $22 per cubic yard. Darker sand, which is more available, starts at around $4 per cubic yard.
The county planning department is currently compiling a list of sand sources for beachfront property repairs.
The county will allow the use of dark sand at least until a beach scraping program begins next week.
The scraping project involves moving sand from the shoreline up the beach to reinforce structures and dunes.
The county is waiting on the Department of Environmental Protection to issue a permit for the scraping.
State Sen. Charlie Clary assured commissioners that he is working with the DEP to speed up the permitting process if possible.
Commissioner Ro Cuchens made an emotional plea to the DEP to expedite the permit approval.
?These people are hurting,? he said. ?These are their homes ? everything they?ve worked for.?
 

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katmoo said:
Here's the text:
Brad Pickel, director of beach management with the Walton County Tourist Development Council, urged property owners to exhaust all possible sources of white sand before using the darker granules.
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The cost of white sand could also hinder speedy repairs.
White sand averages about $22 per cubic yard. Darker sand, which is more available, starts at around $4 per cubic yard.
$18/yd difference, guess which will get used. :sosad:
'course, if I had 2-3M ready to slide onto the beach, hard telling where my head would be. Still, I budget about 1% of home value (and that's on a brand new place) annually for maint & update. Would expect that equation to hold elsewhere. Owning beachfront entails risk, and as the saying goes, if you can't afford to lose, don't bet...
 

ktmeadows

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Travel2Much said:
Well, you are running into one of my many idiosyncracies here. The darn online version requires registration AND lots of personally identifiable information, with no indication of how it will be used, and I refuse to register for sites that that. Here's the web page:

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/index.shtml

The article is in section C (Local/State news), p.1 in today's paper, headlines "Darker Fill Sand is OK", byline Heather Civil.

If that doesn't work, try this link http://www.epaperedition.com/Daily/Skins/NWfDailyNews/Navigator.asp

Same instructions as above - click on Local/State News and it'll take you right to the first page.

I have an online subscription, but I think anyone should be able to get to this site with the above link (hopefully)

Have a great weekend all!!! :clap_1:
 

Travel2Much

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luvthebeach said:
If that doesn't work, try this link http://www.epaperedition.com/Daily/Skins/NWfDailyNews/Navigator.asp

Same instructions as above - click on Local/State News and it'll take you right to the first page.

I have an online subscription, but I think anyone should be able to get to this site with the above link (hopefully)

Have a great weekend all!!! :clap_1:

Cool :cool: Righteously cool.

The only reason I find the variance even remotely stomach-able (and it nauseates me) is that the number of houses involved impact the community at large. And, given that some of these gulf-front owners are good folk, well we need to help them out.

The owners who carp & whine & moan incessantly about their property rights and rights to future accretions who suddenly change their minds and demand all sorts of things from the county and its taxpayers when they discover the "future accretion" nature has in mind for them have no sympathy from me. Sue mother nature for her regulatory taking, would be my response.

Hopefully this is limited and short term. Hopefully, too, those who want to build too close to the gulf will not be permitted to do so in the future.
 
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