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30ashopper

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Right here!
What's going to lead the boom we so desperately need? I don't see housing improving anytime in the foreseeable future with supply so high, credit so tight, many fearing losing their jobs. Plus interest rates are bound to rise along with the cost of everything else. The dollar's at record lows, foreign governments and investors are bailing out/buying iconic American companies, the war(s) drag on, etc. etc. etc.

Please help me see the silver lining here.

Sure, but you'll have to take it with a grain of salt, I tend to be an optimist, and pessimists do better in the stock market. :D

We're facing the possibility of a deep recession (we're not actually there yet). The economy is holding up pretty well considering the current price of gas. I'm actually pretty amazed it's not far far worse than it is. Historically when recessions do hit they only last about a year or so, and the severity of our down turns has been decreasing steadily. Remember the tech bubble burst of 2001 and 9/11's effect on the economy? Everybody was predicting doom and gloom, but we got things turned around rather quickly. The same could happen here with the real estate market.

Maybe my 5 years prediction was a little optimistic, but one thing you can count on, things will turn around eventually. This country reacts best to things when they reach a crisis point. We are reaching a few of those now. This is the United States, we are not idiots, we are not slackers.. we are resilient, we are smart, and we are capable of learning from our own mistakes. Give it time and we'll work our way out of it.

queue the music and fireworks! :wave:
 
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Miss Critter

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You got it. Let's hope it helps. :D

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SHELLY

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Remember the tech bubble burst of 2001 and 9/11's effect on the economy?

Indeed I do!

Everybody was predicting doom and gloom, but we got things turned around rather quickly.

And just what caused things to "turn around rather quickly?" :roll: And what was the result?

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WASHINGTON—A panel of top business leaders testified before Congress about the worsening recession Monday, demanding the government provide Americans with a new irresponsible and largely illusory economic bubble in which to invest.

"What America needs right now is not more talk and long-term strategy, but a concrete way to create more imaginary wealth in the very immediate future," said Thomas Jenkins, CFO of the Boston-area Jenkins Financial Group, a bubble-based investment firm. "We are in a crisis, and that crisis demands an unviable short-term solution."

A prominent finance expert asks Congress to help Americans rebuild their ficticious dreams.
The current economic woes, brought on by the collapse of the so-called "housing bubble," are considered the worst to hit investors since the equally untenable dot-com bubble burst in 2001. According to investment experts, now that the option of making millions of dollars in a short time with imaginary profits from bad real-estate deals has disappeared, the need for another spontaneous make-believe source of wealth has never been more urgent.

"Perhaps the new bubble could have something to do with watching movies on cell phones," said investment banker Greg Carlisle of the New York firm Carlisle, Shaloe & Graves. "Or, say, medicine, or shipping. Or clouds. The manner of bubble isn't important—just as long as it creates a hugely overvalued market based on nothing more than whimsical fantasy and saddled with the potential for a long-term accrual of debts that will never be paid back, thereby unleashing a ripple effect that will take nearly a decade to correct."

"The U.S. economy cannot survive on sound investments alone," Carlisle added.

Congress is currently considering an emergency economic-stimulus measure, tentatively called the Bubble Act, which would order the Federal Reserve to begin encouraging massive private investment in some fantastical financial scheme in order to get the nation's false economy back on track.

Current bubbles being considered include the handheld electronics bubble, the undersea-mining-rights bubble, and the decorative office-plant bubble. Additional options include speculative trading in fairy dust—which lobbyists point out has the advantage of being an entirely imaginary commodity to begin with—and a bubble based around a hypothetical, to-be-determined product called "widgets."

The most support thus far has gone toward the so-called paper bubble. In this appealing scenario, various privately issued pieces of paper, backed by government tax incentives but entirely worthless, would temporarily be given grossly inflated artificial values and sold to unsuspecting stockholders by greedy and unscrupulous entrepreneurs.

"Little pieces of paper are the next big thing," speculator Joanna Nadir, of Falls Church, VA said. "Just keep telling yourself that. If enough people can be talked into thinking it's legitimate, it will become temporarily true."

Demand for a new investment bubble began months ago, when the subprime mortgage bubble burst and left the business world without a suitable source of pretend income. But as more and more time has passed with no substitute bubble forthcoming, investors have begun to fear that the worst-case scenario—an outcome known among economists as "real-world repercussions"—may be inevitable.

"Every American family deserves a false sense of security," said Chris Reppto, a risk analyst for Citigroup in New York. "Once we have a bubble to provide a fragile foundation, we can begin building pyramid scheme on top of pyramid scheme, and before we know it, the financial situation will return to normal."

Despite the overwhelming support for a new bubble among investors, some in Washington are critical of the idea, calling continued reliance on bubble-based economics a mistake. Regardless of the outcome of this week's congressional hearings, however, one thing will remain certain: The calls for a new bubble are only going to get louder.

"America needs another bubble," said Chicago investor Bob Taiken. "At this point, bubbles are the only thing keeping us afloat."



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Miss Critter

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Shelly, that's classic! :clap::clap:

I'm thinking getting my bubble broker's license, but can't find any classes on the DBPR site. Any suggestions?

Seriously, I take it you agree there's no quick & easy fix for this one. I fear it will be a long, dark ride and really hope I'm wrong.
 

30ashopper

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Shelly has a good point! I guess at some point you wipe out enough equity to the point that Americans won't have the money to bubble anything. Maybe that's a good thing. :D
 

SHELLY

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Shelly, that's classic! :clap::clap:

I'm thinking getting my bubble broker's license, but can't find any classes on the DBPR site. Any suggestions?

Seriously, I take it you agree there's no quick & easy fix for this one. I fear it will be a long, dark ride and really hope I'm wrong.

We still haven't seen the fallout of the the credit card/car loan defaults.
The financial systems and the US Economy are seriously broken--I would suggest you make it your goal to get to a financial position that makes you feel comfortable and secure for the next couple of years.

I don't know about you, but I've loaded up on decorative office plant and widget futures.


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Bob

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for the same reason bear stearns was saved, indymac was taken over, the entire system is dependent upon confidence of expectations, and in it's absence, you have panic brought about by fear mongering. when 99 percent of freddie/fannie's portfolio are performing, fear mongering over 25 billion is not seeing the big picture. better to look over at dod if you want to see fiscal obscenity.
 

Miss Critter

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Maintaining confidence in Fannie and Freddie goes far beyond our borders.

About one-fifth of securities issued by Fannie, Freddie and a handful of much smaller quasi-governmental agencies, some $1.5 trillion worth, were held by foreign investors at the end of March. One out of 10 American mortgages is, in effect, in the hands of institutions and governments outside the United States.
The entire article: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/21/business/21bank.html?ref=worldbusiness

I'll say one thing about this mess; it's been very educational.
 
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