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Gifted teacher jumps through hoops
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absolutely not! and i didnt say that. however, throwing more money at it wont work either and clinton found that out for real.
why is it that its approx 10K per student in a public school yet its only about 4K for both my sisters to go to private high school? i dont have to go into who provides a better education do i? take it from me who went to public schools, my sisters got a hell of alot better education than i did and theres no doubt about it.
Thanks for the summary. I never read articles that are linked to without comment by the poster. You've cleared up the thread for me!
Let me go out on a limb and guess that it was perhaps a Catholic school with Nuns doing the teaching? IIRC Nuns don't get paid so without the cost of salaries and the ability to instill lessons "physically" they do win in every scenario. ;-)
not exactly, but you have a point. but, an unpaid nun can get to a student a hell of alot easier than most teachers in the public system. one things for sure, a student will walk away with a lesson and discipline which is something we lack in the majority of our educational system today. the fact that my sister almost got laid off this year because of budget cuts while having a incredible resume, but a teacher that has tenure and isnt worth a damn doesnt is again proof of a government run system. in the private sector, the good prevail while the bad dont-period. and the success rates says it all. the president isnt sending his kids to private schools because the public option is so good thats for sure.
Now now let's not drag the President into this. Wasn't it Ford that tried to send his kids to public school and it was a huge fiasco? Private schools are a lot more accommodating to students with 6 man security details.
Back to the topic at hand, are you advocating privatizing all schools or simply fixing public schools? I prefer the latter.
absolutely both....
Not all can afford private schools, unfortunately. However, they would if they had vouchers available to them. These vouchers proved a success in dc of all places yet they were pulled. And its the dnc that is against doing this nation wide. Private schools are successful for both the school and its students so if it aint broke, dont fix it.
The public schools are the complete opposite so it must be fixed. No child left behind was a good and bold first step and one the late senator kennedy and gw bush got together to pass. Throwing more money at something that already has ample funding if spent responsibly isnt the answer. We have year after year of examples of this. It takes leadership and one wont find it in a government run org unless its to make a profit.
Actually a couple different studies have shown that once you control for parental SES, there is very little difference in student achievement among traditional public schools, charter schools, and private schools, save for a small subgroup involving boys attending certain types of Catholic schools.
As for cost difference, special education/ESE expenses are what frequently skew a lot of things on the public side. The federal government says that an ESE student has to get what's on his IEP, even if that IEP costs the school district $50K or more for that single student. (highly disabled, requires a classroom with fewer than 10 other students and has a one on one aide with him/her in addition to the lead teacher; it adds up quickly) The private schools can just say 'we're not equipped to deal with students with those kinds of problems' and not admit them as students.
The private school also has the right to expel kids for failing grades and weed out the student body that way. No such option at the public schools.
As for cost difference, special education/ESE expenses are what frequently skew a lot of things on the public side. The federal government says that an ESE student has to get what's on his IEP, even if that IEP costs the school district $50K or more for that single student. (highly disabled, requires a classroom with fewer than 10 other students and has a one on one aide with him/her in addition to the lead teacher; it adds up quickly) The private schools can just say 'we're not equipped to deal with students with those kinds of problems' and not admit them as students.
The private school also has the right to expel kids for failing grades and weed out the student body that way. No such option at the public schools.
GOOD POINT. BUT, IF THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAS INSENTIVE'S THEY COULD AND WOULD MOST CERTAINLY ADAPT. THATS BUSINESS. AND YOU CAN BET THAT AN IEP WONT COST 50k IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR EITHER.
Actually, the private sector IEPs for high needs students can easily run in the $50-$75K range. There are a number of private schools that work with those kinds of high need-intensive resources students when you get small school districts that don't have the means to handle a specific disability, and those kinds of schools can easily cost that much per student. (said cost is paid for by the student's home district, whether they can easily afford to or not)